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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 5733919" data-attributes="member: 20741">You mean Systole's table <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/pathfinder-rpg-discussion/308414-building-good-wizard.html#post5634951" target="_blank">here</a>? Sp.&nbsp; &nbsp; #&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; $/&nbsp;&nbsp; Tot.$/&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Cum.&nbsp;&nbsp; Wiz.Lvl.&nbsp; Sp.&nbsp; &nbsp; Scr.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Scr.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Tot.&nbsp;&nbsp; Lvl.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; WBL&nbsp; &nbsp;1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 75&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 25&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1875&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1875&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 30002&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 100&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 200&nbsp; &nbsp; 20000&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 21875&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 105003&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 95&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 450&nbsp; &nbsp; 42750&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 64625&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 330004&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 80&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 800&nbsp; &nbsp; 64000&nbsp; &nbsp; 128625&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; 620005&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 80&nbsp; &nbsp; 1250&nbsp;&nbsp; 100000&nbsp; &nbsp; 228625&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 820006&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 70&nbsp; &nbsp; 1800&nbsp;&nbsp; 126000&nbsp; &nbsp; 354625&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12&nbsp;&nbsp; 1080007&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 60&nbsp; &nbsp; 2450&nbsp;&nbsp; 147000&nbsp; &nbsp; 501625&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14&nbsp;&nbsp; 1850008&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 45&nbsp; &nbsp; 3200&nbsp;&nbsp; 144000&nbsp; &nbsp; 645625&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 16&nbsp;&nbsp; 3150009&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40&nbsp; &nbsp; 4050&nbsp;&nbsp; 162000&nbsp; &nbsp; 807625&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 20&nbsp;&nbsp; 880000 I chose not to get into that misguided pissing match and exited the thread, but without putitng too fine a point on it, Systole was dead wrong in his methodology. No Wizard learns spells that way. He chose the most cost prohibitive manner possible to do it, instead of using the actual cost of how a Wizard would do it, which is to copy the spell from an existing spellbook into your own at the cost noted at page 219 of the Core Rules.&nbsp; Systole's method was off by a factor of about 6 for the overall results, and he grossly exaggerated the number of spells there were in the book, too.Corrected for those fundamental errors, the actual costs, (without taking into account: a) a character's getting spells to start the game; b) two free spells on gaining a level; c) finding a spellbook during play that you DID NOT have to pay for the privilege of copying; and d) utterly discounting the finding of a scroll during an adventure) AND using the actual number of spells there were to learn in the Core Rulebook, the actual crunch is as follows:[CODE]Sp.&nbsp;&nbsp; # Sp&nbsp;&nbsp; $/&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Tot.$/&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Cum.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Wiz.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; WBL&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lvl.&nbsp; Sp.&nbsp; &nbsp; Copy&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Copy Cost&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Tot.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Lvl1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 600&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 600&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 30002&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 51&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 60&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3050&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3650&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10500 3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 43&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 135&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5805&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9455&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 330004&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 42&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 240&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10080&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 19535&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 62000 5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 47&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 375&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17625&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 37160&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 820006&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 47&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 540&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 25380&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 62540&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1080007&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 40&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 735&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 29400&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 91940&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1850008&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 37&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 960&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 35520&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 127460&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 16&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3150009&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 24&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1215&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 29160&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 156620&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 888000 [/CODE]As you will see, the actual cost of learning every spell in the Core Rulebook employing a NON-INSANE method of learning spells never exceeds the Wealth by Level for the Wizard, not even once.&nbsp; Again, the above does not reflect learning spells by gaining a level, or by finding a scroll or spellbook, or sharing spells with a fellow party member.If you want to double the number of spells learned by including spells in other volumes, it's STILL less than the WBL, and that's without taking into account further cost reductions which are certain to present themselves during actual gameplay. But, please, don't let me stop you from repeating flawed data ad nauseum just because you read it somewhere on the Internet. You've clearly already made up your mind on this subject, right?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 5733919, member: 20741"] You mean Systole's table [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/pathfinder-rpg-discussion/308414-building-good-wizard.html#post5634951"]here[/URL]? Sp. # $/ Tot.$/ Cum. Wiz. Lvl. Sp. Scr. Scr. Tot. Lvl. WBL 1 75 25 1875 1875 2 3000 2 100 200 20000 21875 4 10500 3 95 450 42750 64625 6 33000 4 80 800 64000 128625 8 62000 5 80 1250 100000 228625 10 82000 6 70 1800 126000 354625 12 108000 7 60 2450 147000 501625 14 185000 8 45 3200 144000 645625 16 315000 9 40 4050 162000 807625 20 880000 I chose not to get into that misguided pissing match and exited the thread, but without putitng too fine a point on it, Systole was dead wrong in his methodology. [COLOR=LemonChiffon][I][B]No Wizard learns spells that way.[/B][/I][/COLOR] He chose the most cost prohibitive manner possible to do it, instead of using the actual cost of how a Wizard would do it, which is to copy the spell from an existing spellbook into your own at the cost noted at page 219 of the Core Rules. [COLOR=LemonChiffon][B]Systole's method was off by a factor of about 6 for the overall results[/B][/COLOR], and he grossly exaggerated the number of spells there were in the book, too. Corrected for those fundamental errors, the actual costs, (without taking into account: [COLOR=LemonChiffon][B]a[/B][/COLOR]) a character's getting spells to start the game;[COLOR=LemonChiffon][B] b[/B][/COLOR]) two free spells on gaining a level; [COLOR=LemonChiffon][B]c[/B][/COLOR]) finding a spellbook during play that you DID NOT have to pay for the privilege of copying; and [COLOR=LemonChiffon][B]d[/B][/COLOR]) utterly discounting the finding of a scroll during an adventure) AND using the actual number of spells there were to learn in the Core Rulebook, the actual crunch is as follows: [CODE]Sp. # Sp $/ Tot.$/ Cum. Wiz. WBL Lvl. Sp. Copy Copy Cost Tot. Lvl 1 40 15 600 600 2 3000 2 51 60 3050 3650 4 10500 3 43 135 5805 9455 6 33000 4 42 240 10080 19535 8 62000 5 47 375 17625 37160 10 82000 6 47 540 25380 62540 12 108000 7 40 735 29400 91940 14 185000 8 37 960 35520 127460 16 315000 9 24 1215 29160 156620 18 888000 [/CODE]As you will see, the [COLOR=Orange][B]actual cost[/B][/COLOR] of learning every spell in the Core Rulebook [COLOR=LemonChiffon][B]employing a NON-INSANE method[/B][/COLOR] of learning spells never exceeds the Wealth by Level for the Wizard, [COLOR=Orange][B]not even once[/B][/COLOR]. Again, the above does not reflect learning spells by gaining a level, or by finding a scroll or spellbook, or sharing spells with a fellow party member. If you want to double the number of spells learned by including spells in other volumes, it's STILL less than the WBL, and that's without taking into account further cost reductions which are certain to present themselves during actual gameplay. But, please, don't let me stop you from repeating flawed data [I]ad nauseum [/I]just because you read it somewhere on the Internet. You've clearly already made up your mind on this subject, right? [/QUOTE]

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