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<blockquote data-quote="Veltharis ap Rylix" data-source="post: 9145741" data-attributes="member: 66357"><p>With all due respect, the Outlands chapter here is almost identical in its usage of page space to the 2e Player's Primer to the Outlands.</p><p></p><p>The Gate-towns have always been counted as part of the Outlands, and always among the plane's most notable locales, so saying that they "shouldn't count" because they're "really part of their neighboring plane instead", effectively ripping out 89% of the chapter, and then complaining that what's left isn't sufficient to cover the Outlands comes off as disingenuous at best. Particularly given that, if past discussions with you are anything to go by, you will also refuse to acknowledge the presence of any and all setting material contained within the associated Turn of Fortune's Wheel adventure module (which we know to be at least partly set in the Outlands), because it somehow doesn't count as setting material if its in an adventure.</p><p></p><p>No, this isn't going to cover everything that exists in the Outlands. That was never on the table. But it does seem to serve as a reasonably solid foundation to me. And yes, the Gate-towns are getting the bulk of the coverage, because again, they've always got the bulk of the coverage. With luck, Fortune's Wheel will visit some of the other locales of note and help fill them out - otherwise, you're going to have to dig into older material and/or do the work yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Veltharis ap Rylix, post: 9145741, member: 66357"] With all due respect, the Outlands chapter here is almost identical in its usage of page space to the 2e Player's Primer to the Outlands. The Gate-towns have always been counted as part of the Outlands, and always among the plane's most notable locales, so saying that they "shouldn't count" because they're "really part of their neighboring plane instead", effectively ripping out 89% of the chapter, and then complaining that what's left isn't sufficient to cover the Outlands comes off as disingenuous at best. Particularly given that, if past discussions with you are anything to go by, you will also refuse to acknowledge the presence of any and all setting material contained within the associated Turn of Fortune's Wheel adventure module (which we know to be at least partly set in the Outlands), because it somehow doesn't count as setting material if its in an adventure. No, this isn't going to cover everything that exists in the Outlands. That was never on the table. But it does seem to serve as a reasonably solid foundation to me. And yes, the Gate-towns are getting the bulk of the coverage, because again, they've always got the bulk of the coverage. With luck, Fortune's Wheel will visit some of the other locales of note and help fill them out - otherwise, you're going to have to dig into older material and/or do the work yourself. [/QUOTE]
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