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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9552689" data-attributes="member: 326">I disagree I think WotC are vastly underestimating Epic Tier PC's...yet again.The CR 24 Dragon is supposedly a High (ie. Deadly threat) for 4 18th-level PCs and 5 17th-level charactersThe CR 24 Dragon in its lair is supposedly a High/Deadly threat for 4 19th-level PCs and only slightly misses the mark as a High/Deadly threat for a group of 4 20th-level PCs.In a nutshell it supposedly represents a Solo High/Deadly threat for Epic Tier PC's.But Epic Tier PC's will laugh at that damage...and that's even 2014 build PC's BEFORE the Power Creep of the 2024 books.To threaten Epic Tier PCs as a Solo monster you basically need to be dropping one such character a round! Otherwise this dragon (even with its 546 HP ) is dead in about two rounds, three tops with even 'vanilla' Epic PCs.This is true, I agree.We have not seen the Legendary Actions, they might be really strong. However, a dragon's bread and butter is its breath weapon and that Fire Breath is rubbish (it was rubbish damage back in 2014 and its even more rubbish now thanks to 2024 Power Creep). So if the Legendary Actions outshine the breath weapon, the latter just gets relegated to fourth or fifth choice attack strategy.But who knows maybe one of the Legendary Actions is that the Dragon can combine its breath weapons (Fire + Weakness) which would be slightly better. Yes the dragon can Banish (we have heard) - which is very effective if bordering on the least fun ability a monster can have.Maybe its Attacks + Legendary Actions + Lair Action just about drags it up to where the damage should be but as it stands it looks wimpish, lots of epic characters will have access to Fire Resistance, just looks set up to get steamrolled. Hopefully the full reveal proves me wrong.</blockquote>

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