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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9553029" data-attributes="member: 326">In a roundabout way, yes.2024 Encounter building rules are much better than 2014's.But, all that falls apart if the monsters don't pack the required punch.All things being equal DM/monster ingenuity likely to be equalized by Player/PC ingenuity and prep.There are ways to mitigate all Epic Tier play issues.Yes, I'm familiar with that nonsensical hyperbole.However, For characters to be able to safeguard the planes they would first need to be able to defeat something that can physically threaten the fate of a plane. Given that no such monster has yet been published which can actually do that (including the damp squib that is is Vecna) we can assume calling Epic Tier PCs multiversal heroes is a joke told amongst the Gods.An ancient Dragon is more powerful than any Epic Tier PC*. Which means it should be a match for multiple Epic Tier PCs. Exactly how many depends on the individual and whether they go 'nova' or not.In my opinion a CR24 Dragon should be a 50/50 match for 4 Epic Tier PCs with the caveat the PCs can skew the outcome if one or more go nova. So the advantage is always in the hands of the PCs. *Except my Level 20 Fighter now with 8 epic boons, he solos the dragon in 2, but that's another story.</blockquote>