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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 9561075" data-attributes="member: 326">Not sure what you are getting at then, are Epic Tier casters never supposed to use 6-9th level spells?If Epic Tier casters use two or three 6-9th level spells are they now 'ineffective' in the next encounter?Is battling a CR 24 Ancient Dragon not likely to be the culmination of that "Adventuring day"?Its not far beyond what most Epic Tier characters achieve. ACs 25-30 are common (for lots of epic characters).So what, epic characters have so many ways to heal or resist damage or gain temp HP that even a full attack chain plus the Tarrasque's Legendary Actions likely won't drop a martial character IF they ALL hit.You need to play more Epic Tier. ACs of 25-30 are common.I understand the Death Spiral, just as I understand the economy of Actions.If the dragon takes two rounds of actions from all 4 PCs the fight is basically over. Thus to stand a chance of winning it needs to drop or at best deplete PC actions against it.If the Monster goes down with around 10-11 PC turns worth of actions, its only chance is taking down a PC per turn: 4, 3, 2, 1 = 10If by "Ultra Mega Death Edge Death Death" you mean the CR 30 monster, if it lands every attack drops 1.75 average HP Player Characters per round, then yes it should be Ultra Mega Death Edge Death Death.I'm dismissive of the damage because I know first hand the damage is not high enough to trouble Epic Tier PCs - its as simple as that.I disagree. For a Solo monster the damage is low. It won't make a dent.I don't buy the nonsense that Monster Challenge Rating was determined without assuming the PCs would have Level Appropriate gear.Aside from the 2014 Luck feat I can't think of a feat that is notably better than taking the ability score boost. That's what I meant - so we can have functioning solo monsters.The damage is not high enough. Plus the idea that a Wizard will have no way to mitigate the Fire damage is extremely unlikely.Who don't operate on the front lines and Absorb Elements drops the damage below even Wizard HP totals - which they won't need if they already know they are facing a Dragon, which is likely because its a solo boss monsters not likely a random encounter, because they will Fire Resistance/Immunity already 'on'.Wasn't there a gamer in the Playtest Thread who says his Monk PC solos the dragon 1 vs. 1.You are not understanding how powerful Epic Tier PCs are.Whom it likely doesn't hit with all attacks.We have to highlight it because a lot of Epic PCs are Resistant to fire.Instead of the Fire damage the dragon should just have dealt more slashing or piercing damage.87 damage on a turn is not going to 'cut the mustard' at Epic Tier.So the Dragon nerf's its best attack to give the PCs an easier fight...is that what you are saying?GM's have to play Epic Monsters to win and not pull punches.</blockquote>

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