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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 9562329" data-attributes="member: 5889">I'll put out the math so we all are speaking the same language. I will also use 4 PCs as the standard default.For lvl 10 characters, their encounter budget for a hard encounter is: 3,100 x 4 = 12,400A CR 15 monster 13,000 xp. The overall encounter is 105% of the budget.For lvl 20 characters, the budget is: 22,000 x 4 = 88,000The CR30 tarrasque is 155,000 xp. The overall encounter is 176% of the budget.So the tarrasque to a 20th lvl party should be SIGNIFICANTLY more deadly to the 20th levl party than a CR 15 to a lvl 10 party.So what CR would be the equivalent for a lvl 10 party, based on these calculations? That would be: 21,824 or ~CR18.So lets look at some CR18 damages compared to the 62 hp of a 10th lvl wizard with 14 con.Drow Favored Consort: 105 DPSFire Giant Forgemaster: 72 DPSAmnizu: 76 DPSso yeah wizard is getting dropped. That should be the minimum expectation for the tarrasaque, and likely moreso since 20th level groups have so many ways to heal and avoid death.</blockquote>