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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6403239" data-attributes="member: 177">True.&nbsp; And how many adults playing non-professionally toss out rules in an ad hoc manner when they become unfun? I suspect the answer is &quot;lots&quot;.&nbsp; This feeds into the next point....And there is a point to mentioning this, beyond being picayune.&nbsp; Consider the two statements:1) These extra rules and fiddly bits (like equipment lists and weapons tables) shouldn't be there because it is a ROLE PLAYING game, and those aren't roleplaying.2) These extra rules and fiddly bits must be there because it is a role playing GAME, and without them it isn't a game.I submit both are equally false.&nbsp; Role playing is not an end, in and of itself.&nbsp; Neither are structured rules.&nbsp; Fun, enjoyment of leisure time, is the desired goal, no?&nbsp; And it isn't like one thing is fun for all people.&nbsp; Thus, attempts to theoretically proscribe what is or isn't a game, or role playing, must be done carefully, if at all, because doing so may tromp on fun, which is the real practical goal.Which is to say, don't worry so much about whether it is role playing, or game - worry about whether it will be fun, and for whom it will be fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 6403239, member: 177"] True. And how many adults playing non-professionally toss out rules in an ad hoc manner when they become unfun? I suspect the answer is "lots". This feeds into the next point.... And there is a point to mentioning this, beyond being picayune. Consider the two statements: 1) These extra rules and fiddly bits (like equipment lists and weapons tables) shouldn't be there because it is a ROLE PLAYING game, and those aren't roleplaying. 2) These extra rules and fiddly bits must be there because it is a role playing GAME, and without them it isn't a game. I submit both are equally false. Role playing is not an end, in and of itself. Neither are structured rules. Fun, enjoyment of leisure time, is the desired goal, no? And it isn't like one thing is fun for all people. Thus, attempts to theoretically proscribe what is or isn't a game, or role playing, must be done carefully, if at all, because doing so may tromp on fun, which is the real practical goal. Which is to say, don't worry so much about whether it is role playing, or game - worry about whether it will be fun, and for whom it will be fun. [/QUOTE]

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