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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6405371" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yes. Yes it is.  It just happens to be unfair, and since it is unfair the actual results get evaded because players don't like unfair results - unless they are to their advantage.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15, 10, 10, 11, 13, 7 = 21 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">7, 13, 12, 9, 8, 7 = 8 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">17, 10, 11, 10, 15, 11 = 31 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">11, 12, 15, 16, 16, 11 = 38 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15, 11, 12, 16, 11, 11 = 31 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">12, 11, 13, 15, 16, 10 = 32 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">12, 13, 7, 14, 10, 6 = 14 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">11, 15, 10, 8, 11, 13 = 21 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">12, 13, 9, 8, 12, 9 = 15 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">16, 10, 17, 13, 14, 14 = 42 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">16, 14, 13, 10, 13, 14 = 34 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13, 11, 13, 11, 14, 13 = 27 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">14, 13, 9, 14, 6, 7 = 15 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15, 10, 13, 16, 9, 14 = 32 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">10, 13, 17, 15, 15, 11 = 39 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">9, 10, 12, 12, 15, 11 = 22 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13, 10, 16, 11, 11, 12 = 27 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">15, 14, 9, 14, 17, 12 = 38 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">12, 14, 13, 14, 14, 14 = 33 point buy</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">6, 10, 15, 15, 16, 14 = 32 point buy</li> </ul>My point exactly.  When you say you are happy with 4d6 take the best three, you are really saying you are happy with your DM assigning you 8 point buy and your neighbor at the table 42 point buy just because.   That is the reality of random results.   You can romanticize it however you like.   But that is what you are actually saying you prefer.Of course, the reality is that the people 'happy' with 4d6 take the best three or other randomness are really saying, "I want 42 point buy, and the only way I can pull that off without letting my DM or myself know that is what I really want is to roll dice until I get that result, and then say, "Luck!".Try grouping the above into parties of 4 or 6 and thinking about the idea that that is 'fair'Party #1 contains a guy with 8 point buy playing with a guy with 38.  Party #3 contains a guy with 15 point buy playing with a guy with 42.  You think those are fair results?  You think those make for happy parties?  What happens when that poor guy with 8 point buy takes his lumps, and then the next time he's on the short end of the stick again.  I'll tell you what happens.  He starts finding ways to evade the basic unfairness of the rules being used at the table - asking for do overs, cheating, killing off his character, etc.   And back when I was younger, I used to think that was his problem.  Now I realize its just an expected and perhaps rational result to being mistreated by a DM that thinks random is 'fair'.</blockquote>

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