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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6405564" data-attributes="member: 22779">It is so rare that I read Celebrim's points and keep nodding in agreement.BedRockGames, I'm going to make an assumption here that you play using die rolled characters.&nbsp; I want you to audit the current characters that are being played.&nbsp; In 3e (and I assume Pathfinder) the standard point buy is 25.&nbsp; In 5e I forget what the value is off the top of my head.&nbsp; In any case, what I want you to do is audit the currently played characters in your campaign and tell us how many come in under the standard point buy value and how many come in over the standard point buy value.Because I'll bet you dollars to donuts that not only will the majority of characters be over the standard point buy value, but, if you were to audit the PC's in every single die rolled campaign you've played in in the last ten years, the overwhelming majority would still come in over the baseline point buy value.Now, if randomness was truly valued, that should not be true.&nbsp; We should see the majority of characters right in or around the point buy value.&nbsp; The mean should line up pretty close to the same value.&nbsp; But, most likely, it won't.&nbsp; The mean and the average will both be well above the standard point buy value.Which pretty much demonstrates Celembrim's point that player's don't actually value randomness, they just want to have higher point buy values and still be able to say that they &quot;earned&quot; them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6405564, member: 22779"] It is so rare that I read Celebrim's points and keep nodding in agreement. BedRockGames, I'm going to make an assumption here that you play using die rolled characters. I want you to audit the current characters that are being played. In 3e (and I assume Pathfinder) the standard point buy is 25. In 5e I forget what the value is off the top of my head. In any case, what I want you to do is audit the currently played characters in your campaign and tell us how many come in under the standard point buy value and how many come in over the standard point buy value. Because I'll bet you dollars to donuts that not only will the majority of characters be over the standard point buy value, but, if you were to audit the PC's in every single die rolled campaign you've played in in the last ten years, the overwhelming majority would still come in over the baseline point buy value. Now, if randomness was truly valued, that should not be true. We should see the majority of characters right in or around the point buy value. The mean should line up pretty close to the same value. But, most likely, it won't. The mean and the average will both be well above the standard point buy value. Which pretty much demonstrates Celembrim's point that player's don't actually value randomness, they just want to have higher point buy values and still be able to say that they "earned" them. [/QUOTE]

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