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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 6405629" data-attributes="member: 85555">First off this logic is flawed. Liking randomness doesn't have to mean liking a certain overall average value. One could love randomness but want randomness that pushes things to a higher level point buy. What they want is the fun of not knowing or having control of what their final scores will be. So even if we were to accept your premise about the audit, I don't but that that somehow means people actually secretly, in their heart of hearts, would be happier with a point buy. I also don't think averaging the number will give you a clear window into peoples' motivations. One high roll set can create a misleading impression. But even so, doing an audit of my last 3E campaign (which was an oriental adventures where I was encouraging more powerful characters than I normally do and being very lax on the whole ability score generation thing), where we were using the 4d6 method and but applying your 3.5 point buy tally to the totals we get characters with the following point buy values:182336191032This is all over the map. Clearly we have two folks who are well above your 25 point value cap. But we also have one character who has a 10, as well as characters with an 18 and 19. This is what randomness gives you. Yes people are hoping for something beyond that cap (though to be honest the point buy cap isn't something they are even thinking about so its not like they are thinking in terms of that number) but they know they could get something much worse and accept it when that happens. Everyone had fun in this campaign. No one swapped out characters midway through for any reason other than death during combat.EDIT Just for fun I pulled out my old ravenloft binder with characters, where we rolled them doing 3d6 down the line. Here are the point totals from those sets:1314111926So in this party we had one character above the 25 point buy. Here is the thing though. let's assume that this wasn't the case, that yes all the totals came in above 25 (or at least most of them). That doesn't prove anything really. It just shows people like random but want it on the higher end (and this could be because the rolling method they chose rigs it for higher results, such as rolling 2 or more sets, or because they have a low threshold for hopeless and chuck characters clocking in at 24 or less). Either way, if these people really wanted higher stats, they would obviously be much better off using one of the higher value point buy options (heck nothing stopping you from doing a 38 point buy if you really want to even thought he books only go up to 32). Why would people deny themselves the option that gives them what they really want and then either lie about it or misunderstand their own motives? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There is nothing to be gained here by convincing you I like random rolls over stat arrays. There are zero stakes in this debate. We are talking about which method of the 5 in the book your group goes with and all are perfectly kosher. If you want to use point buy, that is no skin off my back. I am not going to interrogate you and suggest your lying.</blockquote>

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