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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 6414029">The first time the record came to a halt for me was withRPGs are a lot of things and that is what I find so great about them.&nbsp; You want to tell a story?&nbsp; Write a book.&nbsp; Starting off with characters like Riddick and &quot;Lieutenant Colonel Alan Caldwell&quot; is a really really bad idea in order to make a point.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because they're characters in a story, not players at an RPG table.&nbsp; They don't have stats.&nbsp; They don't roll poorly.&nbsp; They do exactly what they are written to do because they are written to do so.&nbsp; They will never do anything more and they will never do anything less.&nbsp; They live when they are written to live, they die when they are written to die, they kill with a teacup or their thumb because they are written to do so.&nbsp; They are utterly unlike the players and their characters at the table and comparing them ignores their substantial differences.Oh he just had to go and repeat it didn't he?&nbsp; I'm only a little while in and already I'm getting a sinking feeling that this is a great big article on how everyone who doesn't play the way he does is having badwrongfun.&nbsp; Ruh-roh, he just dove head first into a debate that is more heated than &quot;What came first, the chicken or the egg?&quot;&nbsp; Worse, he defends his position with some of the oddest examples.&nbsp; Yes, you can play video games without actually role-playing.&nbsp; Especially MMOs.&nbsp; But the fact that you can do something is not really evidence for anything substantive of any sort.&nbsp; The implication here is that you can't really be playing an RPG unless you're actually RPing.&nbsp; Meaning that if you're RPing in a game where you mustn't, then you are doing it wrong and conversely if you are not RPing in a game where you may, you're also doing it wrong.&nbsp; And even with those who agree with Mr Wick here, I suspect will not take kindly to being told that they're having fun the wrong way.Well John, let me play Clint Eastwood and pretend you're in the chair beside me and ask you a few questions:What came first, D&amp;D or WoW?What preceeded both 4th Edition and WoW?Would you like to retract your point now?And here we get down to it.&nbsp; John Wick is essentially reliving the glory days of the edition wars.&nbsp; John, there are many names I'd like to call you right now.&nbsp; But quite plainly I think I'll just go out on a limb and suggest that just because you design games does not give you the right to define what is or is not the purpose of an RPG (save those you design I suppose) and what is or is not fun to do with them.&nbsp; Mr Wick: Your points are bullocks.&nbsp; You're welcome to your opinion and quite frankly I'm highly inclined to let you keep it and never touch one of your 'RPGs'.&nbsp; I can't read a single word beyond this point in your 'article' because I'm so unwordingly infuriated with your 'opinion' on RPGs that I might just vomit the next time you try to explain why games that aren't designed by you aren't RPGs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 6414029"] The first time the record came to a halt for me was with RPGs are a lot of things and that is what I find so great about them. You want to tell a story? Write a book. Starting off with characters like Riddick and "Lieutenant Colonel Alan Caldwell" is a really really bad idea in order to make a point. Why? Because they're characters in a story, not players at an RPG table. They don't have stats. They don't roll poorly. They do exactly what they are written to do because they are written to do so. They will never do anything more and they will never do anything less. They live when they are written to live, they die when they are written to die, they kill with a teacup or their thumb because they are written to do so. They are utterly unlike the players and their characters at the table and comparing them ignores their substantial differences. Oh he just had to go and repeat it didn't he? I'm only a little while in and already I'm getting a sinking feeling that this is a great big article on how everyone who doesn't play the way he does is having badwrongfun. Ruh-roh, he just dove head first into a debate that is more heated than "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" Worse, he defends his position with some of the oddest examples. Yes, you [I]can[/I] play video games without actually role-playing. Especially MMOs. But the fact that you [I]can[/I] do something is not really evidence for anything substantive of any sort. The implication here is that you can't really be playing an RPG unless you're actually RPing. Meaning that if you're RPing in a game where you mustn't, then you are doing it wrong and conversely if you are not RPing in a game where you may, you're also doing it wrong. And even with those who agree with Mr Wick here, I suspect will not take kindly to being told that they're having fun the wrong way. Well John, let me play Clint Eastwood and pretend you're in the chair beside me and ask you a few questions: What came first, D&D or WoW? What preceeded both 4th Edition and WoW? Would you like to retract your point now? And here we get down to it. John Wick is essentially reliving the glory days of the edition wars. John, there are many names I'd like to call you right now. But quite plainly I think I'll just go out on a limb and suggest that just because you design games does not give you the right to define what is or is not the purpose of an RPG (save those you design I suppose) and what is or is not fun to do with them. Mr Wick: Your points are bullocks. You're welcome to your opinion and quite frankly I'm highly inclined to let you keep it and never touch one of your 'RPGs'. I can't read a single word beyond this point in your 'article' because I'm so unwordingly infuriated with your 'opinion' on RPGs that I might just vomit the next time you try to explain why games that aren't designed by you aren't RPGs. [/QUOTE]

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