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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6415390" data-attributes="member: 22779">Because the relevance of fiction to framing and resolution doesn't exclude Microsoft Flight Simulator, as far as I can see.&nbsp; To me, something like Tomb of Horrors is not really meant as an RPG exercise.&nbsp; There's no story, particularly, there, no character motivation, no real reason to do X and not Y, other than a pretty much entirely meta-game level examination of the situation.&nbsp; Many of the traps could not be solved by a character within that game world.&nbsp; Only someone with real world information could resolve many of the traps.&nbsp; And that was the point of the exercise, to challenge the players and not the characters.&nbsp; An RPG which ignores character, is not longer role playing.&nbsp; It's still a game, sure, but, what role playing is going on when the player is forced to make decisions based on his own real world knowledge, and not through the lens of the character that he is trying to portray.&nbsp; In order to have an RPG, you need an R.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6415390, member: 22779"] Because [i]the relevance of fiction to framing and resolution[/i] doesn't exclude Microsoft Flight Simulator, as far as I can see. To me, something like Tomb of Horrors is not really meant as an RPG exercise. There's no story, particularly, there, no character motivation, no real reason to do X and not Y, other than a pretty much entirely meta-game level examination of the situation. Many of the traps could not be solved by a character within that game world. Only someone with real world information could resolve many of the traps. And that was the point of the exercise, to challenge the players and not the characters. An RPG which ignores character, is not longer role playing. It's still a game, sure, but, what role playing is going on when the player is forced to make decisions based on his own real world knowledge, and not through the lens of the character that he is trying to portray. In order to have an RPG, you need an R. [/QUOTE]

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