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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 6849111" data-attributes="member: 53980"><p>That's an curious way of looking at it, if you don't mind my saying so. I mean, if Jubilex's entourage doesn't have regeneration and you suppress Jubilex's regeneration, <strong>his entire side</strong> no longer has regeneration, but so what? It's 20 hp that his side doesn't regain, big whoop. At the levels which you're likely to face Jubilex at, that's probably about one attack from the Battlemaster. You could have accomplished more with Fireball or Meteor Swarm, both of which <strong>guarantee</strong> suppression of his regeneration, unlike Chill Touch which does nothing on a miss.</p><p></p><p>Look at it this way. There are 350+ creatures in the Monster Manual, by page count alone. By a quick count (I might have missed something) there are 12 creatures with regeneration in the MM. Of those, almost half are Slaad, which are by no means guaranteed to appear in every campaign unless the DM really has a thing for chaotic neutral toad dudes. So taking the remaining 7, less than 0.02% of the monsters in the MM have regeneration. </p><p></p><p>Even if we accept on face value that Chill Touch is OP against regenerating opponents, a spell that is OP against 0.02% of monsters isn't all that OP. Even if we include Slaad and all creatures with at least one healing ability, I'd guess that we're still dealing with less than 1% of the MM. </p><p></p><p>IMO, whether or not you feel that suppressing HP recovery is too powerful for a cantrip, Chill Touch simply isn't that powerful in perspective. I suppose if the DM went out of his way to homebrew lots of regenerating monsters I might be inclined to change my opinion, if only with respect to that particular campaign.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>While I freely admit that the capstone boss fight might not be the best place for it, I actually like those types of fights in general. I find it enjoyable to have to come up with unconventional solutions, such as using spells to make indirect attacks, rather than just spamming Fireball.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 6849111, member: 53980"] That's an curious way of looking at it, if you don't mind my saying so. I mean, if Jubilex's entourage doesn't have regeneration and you suppress Jubilex's regeneration, [B]his entire side[/B] no longer has regeneration, but so what? It's 20 hp that his side doesn't regain, big whoop. At the levels which you're likely to face Jubilex at, that's probably about one attack from the Battlemaster. You could have accomplished more with Fireball or Meteor Swarm, both of which [B]guarantee[/B] suppression of his regeneration, unlike Chill Touch which does nothing on a miss. Look at it this way. There are 350+ creatures in the Monster Manual, by page count alone. By a quick count (I might have missed something) there are 12 creatures with regeneration in the MM. Of those, almost half are Slaad, which are by no means guaranteed to appear in every campaign unless the DM really has a thing for chaotic neutral toad dudes. So taking the remaining 7, less than 0.02% of the monsters in the MM have regeneration. Even if we accept on face value that Chill Touch is OP against regenerating opponents, a spell that is OP against 0.02% of monsters isn't all that OP. Even if we include Slaad and all creatures with at least one healing ability, I'd guess that we're still dealing with less than 1% of the MM. IMO, whether or not you feel that suppressing HP recovery is too powerful for a cantrip, Chill Touch simply isn't that powerful in perspective. I suppose if the DM went out of his way to homebrew lots of regenerating monsters I might be inclined to change my opinion, if only with respect to that particular campaign. While I freely admit that the capstone boss fight might not be the best place for it, I actually like those types of fights in general. I find it enjoyable to have to come up with unconventional solutions, such as using spells to make indirect attacks, rather than just spamming Fireball. [/QUOTE]
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