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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Technik4" data-source="post: 490072" data-attributes="member: 7211">Fairly certain in one of the WotC modules there was a flaming shock weapon of some sort, seemed to open the gates for me and my friends. Usually if there isnt an explicit wording saying you can't and something works, its allowable. IE- There is nothing that says you can't have a flaming keen longsword, and while there is nothing explicitly saying you can, everyone does. Logic follows it would be the same with any enchantment. If the core books had to explicitly state everything you "can" do, they woulda been more than $20 <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I meant drain when I said permanent, thanks for clarifying though.Technik</blockquote>