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<blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 1208793" data-attributes="member: 115"><p>I haven't read the entire article, but I do agree with the first statement quoted. That is to say, Sci-Fi and "Fantasy" are, IMO, the same genre looked at two different ways. Hell, I'd be so bold to say that would include stuff like Horror and Romance too - I mean, they're all fantasies (lowercase) in that they're not real.</p><p> </p><p>Sci-Fi and Fantasy stand out in the level of detachment from the modern world however, and in this sense they are fundamentally the same. They both tell stories in worlds that are substantially different than the one we live in. One prefers to focus on technology, the other on mysticism, but that's just setting, they're both highly fantastical.</p><p> </p><p>There's also a prevailing attitude that Fantasy <em>is</em> crap, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's true. That's a cultural thing, and thankfully that trend seems to be on the decline. However, there are still <em>many</em> people who will dismiss Fantasy out of hand, without considering it's the same as everything else - predominantly crap, but some of it is good.</p><p> </p><p>I would like to take a stand on some points made, using Wombat's post as a springboard. Mainly, that there are types of stories, traits that they have. These types and traits are independant of genre however. Any genre can be idea-driven or character-driven, poorly innovative or highly innovative, or any other trait you can choose to attribute to a story. Furthermore, these are solely dependant on the author - it's an author that's poorly innovative, or character-driven, not a genre.</p><p> </p><p>Someone mentioned that the internet has raised the ratio between good and bad works. I also disagree with that. It's an illusion, simply because you don't need a publisher on the internet. Anyone can post anything they want. And if you can't get a publisher, you might as well post it on the internet. I believe the ratio going through the publishers is probably about the same. Possibly it's increased the ratio solely because the internet allows for small publishing companies to advertise, but I don't think that has as big an effect as it may seem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LightPhoenix, post: 1208793, member: 115"] I haven't read the entire article, but I do agree with the first statement quoted. That is to say, Sci-Fi and "Fantasy" are, IMO, the same genre looked at two different ways. Hell, I'd be so bold to say that would include stuff like Horror and Romance too - I mean, they're all fantasies (lowercase) in that they're not real. Sci-Fi and Fantasy stand out in the level of detachment from the modern world however, and in this sense they are fundamentally the same. They both tell stories in worlds that are substantially different than the one we live in. One prefers to focus on technology, the other on mysticism, but that's just setting, they're both highly fantastical. There's also a prevailing attitude that Fantasy [i]is[/i] crap, but that doesn't necessarily mean that's true. That's a cultural thing, and thankfully that trend seems to be on the decline. However, there are still [i]many[/i] people who will dismiss Fantasy out of hand, without considering it's the same as everything else - predominantly crap, but some of it is good. I would like to take a stand on some points made, using Wombat's post as a springboard. Mainly, that there are types of stories, traits that they have. These types and traits are independant of genre however. Any genre can be idea-driven or character-driven, poorly innovative or highly innovative, or any other trait you can choose to attribute to a story. Furthermore, these are solely dependant on the author - it's an author that's poorly innovative, or character-driven, not a genre. Someone mentioned that the internet has raised the ratio between good and bad works. I also disagree with that. It's an illusion, simply because you don't need a publisher on the internet. Anyone can post anything they want. And if you can't get a publisher, you might as well post it on the internet. I believe the ratio going through the publishers is probably about the same. Possibly it's increased the ratio solely because the internet allows for small publishing companies to advertise, but I don't think that has as big an effect as it may seem. [/QUOTE]
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