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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 1210678" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p><strong>re</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's literature, it's not some technical process that can be measured scientifically. I like it better than anything else I have read as in it satisfies all my fantasy needs.</p><p></p><p>I'm reading G.R.R. Martin right now, and I find <em>Game of Thrones</em> quite entertaining. I still like Tolkien better. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I don't he did. Any inferences to class were in the background of his story, and were not intended to be analyzed. If he wrote another story, he might not even include similar characters. That is what I am getting at.</p><p></p><p>Writer's want to give a pseudo-realistic, as well as fantastic feel, to their world. Tolkien knew class systems existed, so he incorporated them into Middle Earth as a convention others could understand, not to make a statement of their rightness or wrongness. </p><p></p><p>For someone like yourself or China to attempt to deride his work based on the idea that he incorporated elements that are viewed as negative by modern day morality for a mythic story is being overly critical for no good reason.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not always. Tolkien had a hard life. Escapism was very important to him. I think tale-telling was a way for Tolkien to escape the mundane real world and go someplace more to his liking. </p><p></p><p>I'm sure he held strong opinions on what was right and wrong and how society should be run, but I don't think he was attempting to send a message. If there is any message, it is inferred by readers. The readers often interpret his work in different ways because all interpretations are subjective.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the case of Tolkien, I don't think he intended for their to be a meaning. He was creating a world and telling you about through the lives of a certain group of characters. That is why I don't look for it.</p><p></p><p>Now if we were talking about Mark Twain or Ursula LeGuin, I might be inclined to believe that there is a deeper meaning. I don't think all authors try to include deeper meanings, some just want to tell an enjoyable tale. Take what meaning you want from it, but don't proscribe your view to the author. That is rude.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 1210678, member: 5834"] [b]re[/b] It's literature, it's not some technical process that can be measured scientifically. I like it better than anything else I have read as in it satisfies all my fantasy needs. I'm reading G.R.R. Martin right now, and I find [i]Game of Thrones[/i] quite entertaining. I still like Tolkien better. No, I don't he did. Any inferences to class were in the background of his story, and were not intended to be analyzed. If he wrote another story, he might not even include similar characters. That is what I am getting at. Writer's want to give a pseudo-realistic, as well as fantastic feel, to their world. Tolkien knew class systems existed, so he incorporated them into Middle Earth as a convention others could understand, not to make a statement of their rightness or wrongness. For someone like yourself or China to attempt to deride his work based on the idea that he incorporated elements that are viewed as negative by modern day morality for a mythic story is being overly critical for no good reason. Not always. Tolkien had a hard life. Escapism was very important to him. I think tale-telling was a way for Tolkien to escape the mundane real world and go someplace more to his liking. I'm sure he held strong opinions on what was right and wrong and how society should be run, but I don't think he was attempting to send a message. If there is any message, it is inferred by readers. The readers often interpret his work in different ways because all interpretations are subjective. In the case of Tolkien, I don't think he intended for their to be a meaning. He was creating a world and telling you about through the lives of a certain group of characters. That is why I don't look for it. Now if we were talking about Mark Twain or Ursula LeGuin, I might be inclined to believe that there is a deeper meaning. I don't think all authors try to include deeper meanings, some just want to tell an enjoyable tale. Take what meaning you want from it, but don't proscribe your view to the author. That is rude. [/QUOTE]
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