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<blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5763558" data-attributes="member: 6668292"><p>I agree, which is why I pointed out that when you talk about RPGs on an RPG board and use a term with a specific game theory meaning, you should understand why people disagree. I don't disagree with Hussar's notion that playing an RPG will result in story, I'm just trying to clarify why people are disagreeing in this thread.</p><p></p><p>You mentioned talking about poetry terms among poets; we're talking about RPGs amongst RPGamers. To that end, I was trying to clarify for Hussar. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Does it surprise you that I never prepare like this? I never think, "the party will be going here, best to flesh this out?" </p><p></p><p></p><p>See, I always get slapped down for definitions <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>I'm using definitions because you're saying something that is contrary to their colloquial use, and then saying "I don't understand why people are disagreeing" when they disagree. I was more trying to clarify for you than to disagree with the thrust of your point (in that I agree that all RPG play will produce a story).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, totally. I wouldn't define "collaborative storytelling" as inherently railroad in the slightest. I think it's different from "all RPGs" or the like, but it's still nowhere near inherently railroad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is where you and the colloquial use diverge, I think. That's your definition, but don't be surprised when English majors and game theorists disagree (and for justifiable reasons). </p><p></p><p>If I am not explicitly intent on creating a story, I cannot collaborate on it. That rules out collaborative storytelling. I might be intimately involved in my friend's life, and yes it will produce a story (watched too much How I Met Your Mother, perhaps), but unless both of us explicitly intend to create one, I'm not participating in "collaborative storytelling". The same is true of RPGs, in my mind.</p><p></p><p>Again, not trying to argue with the thrust of your point (playing an RPG results in story), but promoting your definition over the colloquial usage when it's also wrong from an English definition standpoint seems odd, to me. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JamesonCourage, post: 5763558, member: 6668292"] I agree, which is why I pointed out that when you talk about RPGs on an RPG board and use a term with a specific game theory meaning, you should understand why people disagree. I don't disagree with Hussar's notion that playing an RPG will result in story, I'm just trying to clarify why people are disagreeing in this thread. You mentioned talking about poetry terms among poets; we're talking about RPGs amongst RPGamers. To that end, I was trying to clarify for Hussar. As always, play what you like :) Does it surprise you that I never prepare like this? I never think, "the party will be going here, best to flesh this out?" See, I always get slapped down for definitions ;) I'm using definitions because you're saying something that is contrary to their colloquial use, and then saying "I don't understand why people are disagreeing" when they disagree. I was more trying to clarify for you than to disagree with the thrust of your point (in that I agree that all RPG play will produce a story). Oh, totally. I wouldn't define "collaborative storytelling" as inherently railroad in the slightest. I think it's different from "all RPGs" or the like, but it's still nowhere near inherently railroad. This is where you and the colloquial use diverge, I think. That's your definition, but don't be surprised when English majors and game theorists disagree (and for justifiable reasons). If I am not explicitly intent on creating a story, I cannot collaborate on it. That rules out collaborative storytelling. I might be intimately involved in my friend's life, and yes it will produce a story (watched too much How I Met Your Mother, perhaps), but unless both of us explicitly intend to create one, I'm not participating in "collaborative storytelling". The same is true of RPGs, in my mind. Again, not trying to argue with the thrust of your point (playing an RPG results in story), but promoting your definition over the colloquial usage when it's also wrong from an English definition standpoint seems odd, to me. As always, play what you like :) [/QUOTE]
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