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<blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 8533770" data-attributes="member: 7026594">I don't see anything wrong with it.&nbsp; It just requires accepting that HP are an abstraction, as we're all supposed to be aware of at least since Gary spelled it out at great length in 1978, and every other PH has done since.Heck, there are D&amp;D variants (Into the Odd, Maze Rats, Mausritter, maybe?) that dispense with the hit roll and just do a damage roll.&nbsp; We don't have to go that far, but saying that a high level fighter ALWAYS degrades his opponent's defense a bit with every attack, even a &quot;miss&quot;?&nbsp; Totally reasonable within the D&amp;D combat framework.Yeah, Winter Soldier was the point where I realized they had abandoned the &quot;pinnacle of natural human potential&quot; concept for him.&nbsp; When you can take down a combat aircraft in flight with your hands and a dull melee weapon, we're somewhere past the usual action movie heroics.&nbsp; Civil War and the &quot;holding the helicopter on the ground by muscular strength&quot; stunt was one of the other big ones.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mannahnin, post: 8533770, member: 7026594"] I don't see anything wrong with it. It just requires accepting that HP are an abstraction, as we're all supposed to be aware of at least since Gary spelled it out at great length in 1978, and every other PH has done since. Heck, there are D&D variants (Into the Odd, Maze Rats, Mausritter, maybe?) that dispense with the hit roll and just do a damage roll. We don't have to go that far, but saying that a high level fighter ALWAYS degrades his opponent's defense a bit with every attack, even a "miss"? Totally reasonable within the D&D combat framework. Yeah, Winter Soldier was the point where I realized they had abandoned the "pinnacle of natural human potential" concept for him. When you can take down a combat aircraft in flight with your hands and a dull melee weapon, we're somewhere past the usual action movie heroics. Civil War and the "holding the helicopter on the ground by muscular strength" stunt was one of the other big ones. [/QUOTE]

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