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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8535797" data-attributes="member: 23751">At 20th level low level spells and rituals are nearly worthless and do far less than that 20th level fighter is doing.At 20th level the wizard has 12 slots of 4th level or higher, which for medium to hard CR 20+ encounters are what you want to use.&nbsp; At 4 a fight, you're done in 3 fights.&nbsp; With Arcane Recovery you can eek in half of a 4th fight.&nbsp; So 3 and a half fights and you're done with the vast majority of your combat usefulness. That leaves 2.5 to 4.5 fights where you are very subpar to the fighter.So go ahead and nova yourself out of half the fights.&nbsp; My fighter is going to truck along and catch back up at the end.&nbsp; Without magic items.Basic math dude.&nbsp; 4d10 is an average of 22 points of damage.&nbsp; 2d6+15 is an average of 22 points of damage.&nbsp; Then the fighter swings 3 more times.&nbsp; 1st and 2nd level spells are as bad or worse than scaling cantrips, since they don't scale. The wizard is being blown out of the water.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8535797, member: 23751"] At 20th level low level spells and rituals are nearly worthless and do far less than that 20th level fighter is doing. At 20th level the wizard has 12 slots of 4th level or higher, which for medium to hard CR 20+ encounters are what you want to use. At 4 a fight, you're done in 3 fights. With Arcane Recovery you can eek in half of a 4th fight. So 3 and a half fights and you're done with the vast majority of your combat usefulness. That leaves 2.5 to 4.5 fights where you are very subpar to the fighter. So go ahead and nova yourself out of half the fights. My fighter is going to truck along and catch back up at the end. Without magic items. Basic math dude. 4d10 is an average of 22 points of damage. 2d6+15 is an average of 22 points of damage. Then the fighter swings 3 more times. 1st and 2nd level spells are as bad or worse than scaling cantrips, since they don't scale. The wizard is being blown out of the water. [/QUOTE]

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