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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8536300" data-attributes="member: 84112">hidus laughter can stop an enemy in there tracks at 20th level or 1stshield can negate a hit at 20th level or 1stcharm person can turn an encounter at 1st or 20th level...all of them are first levelblur grants disadvantage on attacks. that is a 2nd level spellcounterspell dispel haste&nbsp; fireball lightningbolt&nbsp; are all3rd level spells and all helpful the entire campaign you are NEVER a subpar fighter reread what I wrote. the damn SoS 1st level spell can be used at will at 20th level. (17th I think)lol&nbsp; SO you just assume those umpteen high level spells are cast first?&nbsp; what if the first round of every encounter you use a cantrip while you plan what big shanangins spell you will end the encounter with&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; the fact that 5% of the time you have to defualt to doing half the damage of the fighter is meaningless when 80% of the time you can be doing better (other 15% is about equal)damage causeing spells are on average slightly worse at 1st and 2nd level then cantrips... but you can load up with charm, laughter, blur, and shield</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8536300, member: 84112"] hidus laughter can stop an enemy in there tracks at 20th level or 1st shield can negate a hit at 20th level or 1st charm person can turn an encounter at 1st or 20th level... all of them are first level blur grants disadvantage on attacks. that is a 2nd level spell counterspell dispel haste fireball lightningbolt are all3rd level spells and all helpful the entire campaign you are NEVER a subpar fighter reread what I wrote. the damn SoS 1st level spell can be used at will at 20th level. (17th I think) lol SO you just assume those umpteen high level spells are cast first? what if the first round of every encounter you use a cantrip while you plan what big shanangins spell you will end the encounter with> the fact that 5% of the time you have to defualt to doing half the damage of the fighter is meaningless when 80% of the time you can be doing better (other 15% is about equal) damage causeing spells are on average slightly worse at 1st and 2nd level then cantrips... but you can load up with charm, laughter, blur, and shield [/QUOTE]

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