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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8542514" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I would say that it proves the point that D&amp;D is not popular because of sunk costs.&nbsp; They changed so much that it was a different game altogether with some of the same imagery and labels.&nbsp; It didn't have the same broad appeal even if it had some good ideas. I ran or helped run a couple of game days in a major metro area.&nbsp; We had a big uptake initially with 30ish people playing in each of them once a month.&nbsp; It slowly dropped off because most of the new people we had attracted simply didn't stick with it.For me, and most people I've played with, 5E &quot;feels&quot; like an evolution of D&amp;D.&nbsp; It makes it quite clear that the D&amp;D label isn't enough.&nbsp; The races and monsters, the setting and fluff can't carry the weight.&nbsp; It's the tone and style of play that matters.None of this is saying that 4E was bad.&nbsp; If it had been released as it's own standalone game I think it could still be one of the popular alternatives.&nbsp; From a TTRPG perspective it could be successful.&nbsp; Just not as successful as 5E D&amp;D.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8542514, member: 6801845"] I would say that it proves the point that D&D is not popular because of sunk costs. They changed so much that it was a different game altogether with some of the same imagery and labels. It didn't have the same broad appeal even if it had some good ideas. I ran or helped run a couple of game days in a major metro area. We had a big uptake initially with 30ish people playing in each of them once a month. It slowly dropped off because most of the new people we had attracted simply didn't stick with it. For me, and most people I've played with, 5E "feels" like an evolution of D&D. It makes it quite clear that the D&D label isn't enough. The races and monsters, the setting and fluff can't carry the weight. It's the tone and style of play that matters. None of this is saying that 4E was bad. If it had been released as it's own standalone game I think it could still be one of the popular alternatives. From a TTRPG perspective it could be successful. Just not as successful as 5E D&D. [/QUOTE]

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