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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8543932" data-attributes="member: 6987520">By the base numbers, it is. But when you look at what is possible for a surge to accomplish vs. a single spell of 6th level and higher, especially 8th and 9th, the surge just doesn't compete IMO. Surges might wreck a creature or two, those spells shift the dynamic of the entire encounter.Yet the fighter gets those 4 attacks every round, the caster might get 1 or 2 of the big bangs off in an encounter.As much as I hate the &quot;typical adventuring day&quot;, with 6-8 encounters at 2-3 rounds each, you average about 18 rounds.The fighter has two AS for 8 attacks in two rounds, plus 4 attacks for 16 rounds, a total of 80 attacks.Using their highest spell slots, a wizard would use all their spell slots but 1st level and some 2nd:9, 8, 7, 7, 6, 6, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, (two extra from Arcane Recover), 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 2; for a total of 91 spell levels.Improving fighters to an Extra Attack (4), would bump them up to 100 attacks in the 18 rounds, while scaling it to the minimum 6 would be an astounding 120 attacks in 18 rounds.If you can equate how 1 attack = X number of spell levels or 1 spell level = T number of attacks, you could decide just where you want the number of attacks to sit. Personally, I think 5 would be ok, but IMO 6 would be a bit much.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8543932, member: 6987520"] By the base numbers, it is. But when you look at what is possible for a surge to accomplish vs. a single spell of 6th level and higher, especially 8th and 9th, the surge just doesn't compete IMO. Surges might wreck a creature or two, those spells shift the dynamic of the entire encounter. Yet the fighter gets those 4 attacks every round, the caster might get 1 or 2 of the big bangs off in an encounter. As much as I hate the "typical adventuring day", with 6-8 encounters at 2-3 rounds each, you average about 18 rounds. The fighter has two AS for 8 attacks in two rounds, plus 4 attacks for 16 rounds, a total of 80 attacks. Using their highest spell slots, a wizard would use all their spell slots but 1st level and some 2nd: 9, 8, 7, 7, 6, 6, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, (two extra from Arcane Recover), 4, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3, 2; for a total of 91 spell levels. Improving fighters to an Extra Attack (4), would bump them up to 100 attacks in the 18 rounds, while scaling it to the minimum 6 would be an astounding 120 attacks in 18 rounds. If you can equate how 1 attack = X number of spell levels or 1 spell level = T number of attacks, you could decide just where you want the number of attacks to sit. Personally, I think 5 would be ok, but IMO 6 would be a bit much. [/QUOTE]

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