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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowedeyes" data-source="post: 8544465" data-attributes="member: 7027005">So, one issue with this topic, I think, is that while a number of people agree that there is a problem, we don't necessarily agree on what the problem is, and the severity of it. This makes discussions on it difficult, especially for people who don't think there is much of a problem, as it looks like the other side is just switching gears throughout, when it reality we are all just have different opinions on the perceived problem.For instance, I think that outside white room scenarios the fighter is pretty good on the combat pillar in this edition. They excel at damage, which I'd argue is probably the best thing to have in a fight. They have pretty good survivability as well, although they are not necessarily the best at it. They lack in mobility and battlefield control for the most part however. I wouldn't mind if they were a little better at those things, but overall I don't think a fighter needs much to contribute in most combat situations.I do think the fighter really falters in the exploration and social pillars however. The base fighter's only out of combat related class features are their two additional ASIs, which could translate into feats when the game allows them. The only other class with a similar lack of features is the Barbarian, who gets Danger Sense and at very high levels Indomitable Might. While all characters get some options through skills, it's pretty bare bones for these two classes to make an impact. So for me, that is where I think a big part of the disparity is, and what I would focus on personally.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shadowedeyes, post: 8544465, member: 7027005"] So, one issue with this topic, I think, is that while a number of people agree that there is a problem, we don't necessarily agree on what the problem is, and the severity of it. This makes discussions on it difficult, especially for people who don't think there is much of a problem, as it looks like the other side is just switching gears throughout, when it reality we are all just have different opinions on the perceived problem. For instance, I think that outside white room scenarios the fighter is pretty good on the combat pillar in this edition. They excel at damage, which I'd argue is probably the best thing to have in a fight. They have pretty good survivability as well, although they are not necessarily the best at it. They lack in mobility and battlefield control for the most part however. I wouldn't mind if they were a little better at those things, but overall I don't think a fighter needs much to contribute in most combat situations. I do think the fighter really falters in the exploration and social pillars however. The base fighter's only out of combat related class features are their two additional ASIs, which could translate into feats when the game allows them. The only other class with a similar lack of features is the Barbarian, who gets Danger Sense and at very high levels Indomitable Might. While all characters get some options through skills, it's pretty bare bones for these two classes to make an impact. So for me, that is where I think a big part of the disparity is, and what I would focus on personally. [/QUOTE]

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