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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8545289" data-attributes="member: 67338">a big thing I noticed is each edition gets worse at this... in 3e it was close to 2e but with ACs not caping at -10/30 not really and the lower bonus to hit for 2nd and 3rd attacks weakened the combatants. 4e went with fighters get the same 1/2 level but they got a +1 over that on weapon attacks5e made it worse...all characters add the same prof to hit, and a combat stat to hit... a fighter with a str/dex of X will most likely be with a rogue with a dex of x+/-1 of his str/dex, the wizard with a Int of x+/-1 of the fighters str/dex ext..and all stats cap at 20. a fighter with a 20 str is as precise as a rogue with a dex of 20 or a hexblade with a cha of 20...  now the 2 stat MAD classes like a war cleric (want wis and str) and the bard (cha and dex most likely) so they will most likely be slightly behind. in my Saturday night campaign (like I said earlier) I am an armorer artificer. we are 7th (actually just going to level to 8 inbetween games) so I have a few spells 7d8+21 hps and can use my Int to attack and damage (thunder punch) and give myself 7 temps as a bonus action (I don't think I can remember any fight I didn't start with temps) I have 2 attacks then can choose my bonus action to make another attack or reup those temps. I can also choose to use spells (including self healing). I make a pretty good fighter and having the sentinel feat makes me better still.  MY thorn whip ranged 30 melee attack that pulls also does amazing. (I cheese it because I am playing iron spider/venom and race is dampyer so I can spider climb and be on the cealing and pull 10ft up then they drop...not sure if that is raw or if DM is being nice)I can't imagine anthing but the most optimized fighter being better then that artificer in combat (although I can see an optimized one pull ahead in 1 or 2 ways) but they have nothing on my out of combat utility... I double as our rogue (again not sure if this is RAW) because my tinker tools can tinker with locks and traps, and I have expertise in them. I can short rest swap out my iron spider suit for my venom suit and go infiltrator if we need. and since we have a healer I almost never need to use my 7 spell slots to self heal (but I can) so those are 7 options no fighter or rogue will ever have (unless they take the subclass to be a caster)</blockquote>

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