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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8545331" data-attributes="member: 67338">maybe I am missing something... lord knows I stopped playing 3e before 4e was announced, and I have not looked back so I may be rusty or miss remembering (and I know 3.5 gave them a 2d4 19+x2 sword instead of the d12 x3 axe)a wizard has 1d4+con modfighter has 1d10+con modso 12hp fighter 5hp wizard sounds pretty reasonable.I think it was +4 to hit&nbsp; 1d12+3 damage...&nbsp; so lets give both basic equipment (mage armor spell and desent armor okay dex on both) lets give the fighter a 16 and the wizard a 15 AC (no shields)so against the fighter the orc needs to roll 12+ (40% hit 5% crit)so against the wizard the orc needs to roll 11+ (45% hit 5% crit)non crit is 1d12+3 (average 9 min 4 max 15) a crit is dead...I amean 3d12+9 (average 22 min 12 max a whopping 45)to kill you out right you need to go to -10 but just going to 0 takes you down. so this gives 10 fake hp for life... so the fighter has 22 and the wizard 15.in a non crit only max damage kills the mage 1 hit. In a non crit the fighter can not be killed 1 hit (max 15 damage brings him to -3)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8545331, member: 67338"] maybe I am missing something... lord knows I stopped playing 3e before 4e was announced, and I have not looked back so I may be rusty or miss remembering (and I know 3.5 gave them a 2d4 19+x2 sword instead of the d12 x3 axe) a wizard has 1d4+con mod fighter has 1d10+con mod so 12hp fighter 5hp wizard sounds pretty reasonable. I think it was +4 to hit 1d12+3 damage... so lets give both basic equipment (mage armor spell and desent armor okay dex on both) lets give the fighter a 16 and the wizard a 15 AC (no shields) so against the fighter the orc needs to roll 12+ (40% hit 5% crit) so against the wizard the orc needs to roll 11+ (45% hit 5% crit) non crit is 1d12+3 (average 9 min 4 max 15) a crit is dead...I amean 3d12+9 (average 22 min 12 max a whopping 45) to kill you out right you need to go to -10 but just going to 0 takes you down. so this gives 10 fake hp for life... so the fighter has 22 and the wizard 15. in a non crit only max damage kills the mage 1 hit. In a non crit the fighter can not be killed 1 hit (max 15 damage brings him to -3) [/QUOTE]

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