Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9579085" data-attributes="member: 6790260">Oh, I'm sure some folks did make positive comparisons. Just as I'm sure some WoW fans probably made positive comparisons WRT 4e. But there were definitely negative ones as well, I've done a little fandom archaeology in the distant past to dig up some of them. Many of the places such things were posted ceased to exist in the past 20+ years, but there's a lingering trace.Yeah. One of my most well-received posts on this forum goes into a lot of this, and IMO HD vs surges is the most obvious place where 5e took only the slimmest superficial veneer of 4e and ignored literally any of the actual game design.When in reality those vaguely 4e-like elements stick in the craw of most any 4e fan who appreciated what they were actually for. But this is precisely why I want 4e to be OGL or (preferably) Creative Commons. If they actually added 4e to the Creative Commons--even if it was just the explicit contents of the three PHBs and two DMGs and nothing else!--then you could ACTUALLY get a true, full-throated successor.As it stands, I find 13A is an acceptable successor, mostly because it has so many terribly clever design elements. It's far more of a merger of 3e and 4e design than 5e ever thought of being. As I've said elsewhere, 5e is 3e on a diet with a new coat of paint and a handful of new ideas (like item attunement, only being able to Concentrate on a single spell, and Advantage/Disadvantage.)Whereas I am quite convinced we're going to get a 6e, or something functionally equivalent to a 6e even if it isn't called that, by 2032, or 2034 at the absolute latest. I don't think 5.5e has more than six years' worth of play in it. It has nothing to do with Mearls' claim that "D&D isn't cool anymore"; it has everything to do with "second verse, same as the first" will never last as long as the original thing did, not least because plenty of the things in 5.5e are not well-liked by all fans of 5.0, and that's encouraging at least some people to start looking elsewhere.Remember, they've made gestures at "evergreen" twice now, and both times they've backtracked. One was with 4e. The second was 5.0. And people swore, up and down, that 5e would be evergreen! That there would never be a need for an overhaul, they'd just do piecemeal, iterative updates comparable to TCoE. We've already seen that come and go."Evergreen" is a myth. If--I say, if--5.5e goes a full decade without any announcement of a new thing, if in 2035 folks are still playing "2024 D&D" and not even hearing a whisper about any kind of new playtest, then I'll buy that they've made something evergreen. Not a day before.My pleasure.</blockquote>

Verification