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<blockquote data-quote="occam" data-source="post: 9580468" data-attributes="member: 39815">It has nothing to do with short memories; I think you're missing the real argument, which others have made in this thread. Obviously 5e owes a lot of its design to lessons learned from 3e and 4e. And it is, overall, similar to 3e in a lot of ways, but it's like a 3e designed in an alternate timeline, without a bunch of the ultimately unnecessary stuff introduced in the actual 3e (like typed bonuses, and iterative attack and AoO rules that cemented character tokens to fixed 5-foot squares once combat started, and nitpicky skill points, and the godawful feat proliferation, and the LFQW dichotomy, etc.) that made it a PitA to use after a while.As a result, if the last D&amp;D you played was 2e (or 1e), then 5e makes for a smoother transition to a D&amp;D with modern design principles than either 3e or 4e does; 5e feels more similar to the experience of playing earlier versions of D&amp;D than 3e or 4e does.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="occam, post: 9580468, member: 39815"] It has nothing to do with short memories; I think you're missing the real argument, which others have made in this thread. Obviously 5e owes a lot of its design to lessons learned from 3e and 4e. And it is, overall, similar to 3e in a lot of ways, but it's like a 3e designed in an alternate timeline, without a bunch of the ultimately unnecessary stuff introduced in the actual 3e (like typed bonuses, and iterative attack and AoO rules that cemented character tokens to fixed 5-foot squares once combat started, and nitpicky skill points, and the godawful feat proliferation, and the LFQW dichotomy, etc.) that made it a PitA to use after a while. As a result, if the last D&D you played was 2e (or 1e), then 5e makes for a smoother transition to a D&D with modern design principles than either 3e or 4e does; 5e feels more similar to the experience of playing earlier versions of D&D than 3e or 4e does. [/QUOTE]

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