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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9580731" data-attributes="member: 4348">Iterative attacks are still in 5e.  Like, they can even start at 2nd level for some classes, and are much more of a pain to remember (is it a bonus action or not?  Can I use this bonus action for this or this?) than even 3e was!Things that limit movement and square movement also...Still exists to a more limited degree, but is still there along with a bunch of other items to lock someone down.Not as many skill points, but they sure operate differently than in 2e...more like...oh yeah...that's right...3e and 4e.You even have DC's!!!!  Wow...yep...DC and stuff is solidly 3e and beyond.  And it's not even OPTIONAL (which skills and NWP were optional in 2e)!  You can't have a character that just may know something because they are that class and it fits naturally, or someone wants to try anything they can and it's the Dm's fiat (normally an ability score to roll under...none of this Skill/proficiency/other bonus junk that 3e came up with) to simply figure out what they need to roll or even do (say...they speak it out instead of rollling, no dumb diplomacy checks...no dumb intimidation checks...no dumb persuasion checks...etc).Still there, and now even mandatory in 5.5!And once again, still exists in 5e.Actually 3.0 was a smoother transition.  5e is actually hated by most of my old time players, and loved by the younger generation.  Did you even play 3e???3.0 was designed to play like 2e.  That people didn't and started munchkining the heck out of it meant that the way the game was viewed changed (and they promptly came out with a more defined 3.5), and they found out the way they designed 3.0 was probably deeply flawed, but 3.0 was actually far more of a transition (especially if you played with Skills and Powers previously) from 2e than 2e to 5e would ever be.One of the KEY complaints I've heard (and I've had myself) is a bunch of cuss words in regards to how flawed Bounded Accuracy is and how much more limiting it is than 2e was (or from those who tried 3e, how much more limiting it is than even 3e was).</blockquote>

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