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Message: <blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5728003" data-attributes="member: 463">But NPC skill can exceed DM skill too.  I'm a terrible liar; IRL I'm actually physically incapable of telling a straight lie, though I can twist the truth a bit with duplicitous intent if I can find a way to make the truth misleading.  Anyway I certainly don't have +8 Bluff, but my NPC does.  Should I then not RP the NPC, just roll a Bluff check and tell the players "You believe him"?I'm certainly old school, I find the whole idea of social skills a bit iffy, but I had no problem with say the Call of Cthulu approach where a PC has a Fast Talk %, but it's up to the GM what the roll means.  The problem with 3e & 4e is the attempt to create structured rules around social interaction, especially with Sense Motive or Insight as a kind of "Armour Class" against lies.</blockquote>