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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5730947" data-attributes="member: 463">No, both players will be asked to make a Diplomacy check at some point, whenever the outcome of their persuasion attempt is uncertain, and then the Barbarian is all mouth and no trousers.&nbsp; He can maybe run on for a long time, but if he wanted to be reliably persuasive he should have invested resources in that direction (admittedly 4e and esp 3e make that hard).Whereas as long as the Bard player steps on up, he has the mechanical resources to pull off significant diplomatising.&nbsp; The guy who refuses to talk at all is like the guy who runs from a fight - which I have also seen.I'll also often go out of my way to give the charming swashbuckler PC chances to shine: to embarrass the clumsy guards, to wow the fair maiden, etc.&nbsp; I'm asking for a good faith effort to step-on-up; just don't be cringingly repulsive (which I have seen, but people who are genuinely unpleasant to be around are so in-game &amp; out).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5730947, member: 463"] No, both players will be asked to make a Diplomacy check at some point, whenever the outcome of their persuasion attempt is uncertain, and then the Barbarian is all mouth and no trousers. He can maybe run on for a long time, but if he wanted to be reliably persuasive he should have invested resources in that direction (admittedly 4e and esp 3e make that hard). Whereas as long as the Bard player steps on up, he has the mechanical resources to pull off significant diplomatising. The guy who refuses to talk at all is like the guy who runs from a fight - which I have also seen. I'll also often go out of my way to give the charming swashbuckler PC chances to shine: to embarrass the clumsy guards, to wow the fair maiden, etc. I'm asking for a good faith effort to step-on-up; just don't be cringingly repulsive (which I have seen, but people who are genuinely unpleasant to be around are so in-game & out). [/QUOTE]

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