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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 5196838" data-attributes="member: 518">Quoting just to bounce off this idea and put my thoughts to ...eerrr....paper? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I happen to like the way 4E is written ina fluff/story context: minimal but inspirational (to me anyway). But definitely the adventures (i've bought/read) have been lackluster.But this was a problem through 3rd edition as well, and some (many? all?)  of the Paizo crew are the same whom were writing the 3E "story" as well-whether through the mags, or actual stand alone adventures and supplements. I was reminded of this when I grabbed the "egypt" Pathfinder Supplement several months back-I couldn't even get through the whole thing (and it's not very long..32 pages maybe?). I've read through some of the freebie adventures , and browsed through the Golarion book and I just don't get the "pathfinder is great at story" or "much better than WOTC" comments. I tried to see it/give them a fair shake, but I don't feel they are any better, nor much worse than WOTC at all in this area. However,  I think is particularly an issue where I'm much more divided in my old school D&D mentality with newer fangled D&D rules double personality- I cannot stand the concept of adventure paths & highly scripted adventures, or mega campaign setting details. I prefer simple site based adventures of old with little in the way of story or extended plotlines . I also prefer  background and campaign material with alot of "here's whats going on now & a bunch of locations/plot ideas" vs. "here's a overly detailed history about things that are not terribly useful to an actual game" (i.e. 2E syndrome).My point- I'd  like to see WOTC improve, but going the Paizo route to me is no improvement (and thats no slight on Erik and crew, just where my tastes dramatically differ on what constitutes good D&D "story" .WOTC is a bit more on point for me in that regard )</blockquote>

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