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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HonorBoundSamurai632" data-source="post: 7666825" data-attributes="member: 6790888">I would say that isn't completely accurate either. I can't sit here and say that 4th was a total "debacle," but although many enjoyed 4th Edition (I was not one of them,) Paizo proved with Pathfinder that 4e wouldn't have been a smash success for other publishers. WoTC, (whether intentional or not,) has made moves that copied much of what Paizo has done. The first one that pops into my mind, is how the play test entitled D&D Next was made available for public download ..... very much like Pathfinder was. Even the way WoTC does it's miniatures now, (based on storylines and not given random set names like the minis during 3.0/3.5 era,) mirrors Paizo's model. Mechanically, in 5th, the Wizard, for instance, rolls a 1D6 for hit points now .... similar to Pathfinder. Charging $50 for books, is very similar to how PF's Core Rulebook is also $50, (although it is a Player's Handbook and DM/GM Guide in one book.)Many would claim that PF may have saved the industry from the lackluster sales of 4th Ed. I am just quoting what I have read on many forums filled with others' opinions. I do not have actual data to back up that last statement, so take it for what that's worth. My point is, is that if 4th Ed. made Hasbro even a smidgen of money, perhaps the WoTC staff would be a lot larger and be able to pump out updates to things like Deities and Demigods, Monster Manual II, Oriental Adventures, and the campaign settings for 5th Edition. The other side of the coin is that yes, Paizo's staff is much larger, but their system is now suffering from the rules bloat that 3.0/3.5 suffered from (which we have all very much stated we do not want to see for this current edition.)WoTC had something very, very, good with 3.0/3.5. Unfortunately, many of the books released towards the end of that edition were lackluster at best, (just read the reviews.) IN MY OPINION, it looks like 4th Edition wasn't anywhere near as successful as HASBRO would have liked to see, so now they have WoTC on a short leash when it comes to this edition of the table top game. Unfortunately, this short leash is starting to lead to yet another division of players. Some of us, (myself included,) would like to see the campaign settings brought back to their former glory. The other half is enjoying the small snippets the adventure books are giving us. This division, if not taken seriously, could once again give us something similar to the edition war that we all saw, (and were apart of,) not too long ago. WoTC/Hasbro needs to figure this out!!</blockquote>

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