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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 3796810" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Really? I don't remember 1E Rangers much, but I sure don't remember either them or 2E Rangers having any <em>significant</em> "archery-related" abilities. It's been a long time though, I admit.</p><p></p><p>Edit - Doing research, it looks like you're dead wrong. 1E Rangers have 2d8 HP at first level, tracking, surprise, arcane and divine spells, extra damage against giants and humanoids, but I see nowt about archery.</p><p></p><p>2E Rangers have their specialized enemies, their animal friendship, tracking and other abilities, and I remember I personally let them specialize in bows like as if they were Fighters, but I thought that was a house rule.</p><p></p><p>So if anything, the "ranger as bow-shooter" deal seems to come from, what, the D&D cartoon? Not the rules, where two-weapon stuff pre-dates archery stuff. Of course, my info may be incomplete/wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh, I beg to differ. Nothing screams "expert archer" like that, but most expert archers in fantasy fiction are not "Rangers" by D&D standards, i.e. every single one of them is an expert tracker and woodsman, and friendly with animals (and currently in 3E, but hopefully gone in 4E, gains bizarre Divine spells for no readily apparent reason).</p><p></p><p>Rangers shouldn't be limited to, nor have the monopoly on, ranged weapon expertise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 3796810, member: 18"] Really? I don't remember 1E Rangers much, but I sure don't remember either them or 2E Rangers having any [I]significant[/I] "archery-related" abilities. It's been a long time though, I admit. Edit - Doing research, it looks like you're dead wrong. 1E Rangers have 2d8 HP at first level, tracking, surprise, arcane and divine spells, extra damage against giants and humanoids, but I see nowt about archery. 2E Rangers have their specialized enemies, their animal friendship, tracking and other abilities, and I remember I personally let them specialize in bows like as if they were Fighters, but I thought that was a house rule. So if anything, the "ranger as bow-shooter" deal seems to come from, what, the D&D cartoon? Not the rules, where two-weapon stuff pre-dates archery stuff. Of course, my info may be incomplete/wrong. Uh, I beg to differ. Nothing screams "expert archer" like that, but most expert archers in fantasy fiction are not "Rangers" by D&D standards, i.e. every single one of them is an expert tracker and woodsman, and friendly with animals (and currently in 3E, but hopefully gone in 4E, gains bizarre Divine spells for no readily apparent reason). Rangers shouldn't be limited to, nor have the monopoly on, ranged weapon expertise. [/QUOTE]
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