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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kikuras" data-source="post: 6547658" data-attributes="member: 6790771">The details found under the ammunition property apply to weapons with ammunition, and has no bearing on non-ammunition ranged weapons.  What I quoted applies to all other ranged weapons, such as the dart, a non-ammunition ranged weapon.  Simply put they are improvised weapons when used for melee attacks.I appreciate the analysis on what is considered ranged vs melee, I've used those same arguments in other threads about thrown weapons being ranged weapons.  Even so, amid all the lack of clarity in what is ranged and what is melee, pg 148 describes ranged weapons being used for melee combat as improvised weapons.  The one argument that I could never conquer is that stupid arbitrary table on page 149 that clearly dictates what is melee and what is ranged, even if the text fails to match it.</blockquote>