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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 1749676" data-attributes="member: 20239">:Emphasis mine:This is mostly what I was talking about when I said D&D doesnt' handle Mooks very well.  There are lots of good "Mook-able" creatures in D&D, but throwing 50 orcs at a group of 8th level characters leads to a lot of tedious bookkeeping for the DM.  In some systems I've seen, Mooks are differentiated by being "1 hit = a kill" creatures (i.e. they don't even have HP) and by being denied saving throws (or the equivalent).  You can do this in D&D by ignoring HP and saves for cannon fodder, but in a lot of cases, that makes the Mooks too weak to really matter.  On the other hand, if you play the Mook's attacks as normal, it not only takes a LONG time to resolve but the results can be deadlier to the PCs than a real Mook type adversary should be.Adding balanced and easy to incorporate "Mook rules" to D&D would be great as the subject of a D20 sourcebook.</blockquote>