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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9794422" data-attributes="member: 7030563">ok.  If your goal is to get the most number of squares under your SG to look cool this will be very effective.  If your goal is to win the combat efficiently with minimal cost in terms of resources for the party it won't be.Increasing AOE by 300% does not mean 300% better in combat, it doesn't even generally mean 20% better in combat.You said you would only use spirit guardians when surrounded by enemies and in an earlier thread you said you would only use spirit guardians in long combat9th Level Eldritch Knight1. Dual Wielder, Light weapons, two weapon fighting, warmagic, Green Flame Blade 10 intelligence:4d6+2d8+15=382. Sword and board Spear, PAM, Warmagic, Dueling, Green Flame Blade with 20 strength and 10 intelligence:2d6+1d4+2d8+21=39.53. Greatsword, GWM, Warmagic, Green Flame Blade, 10 Intelligence:4d6+2d8+18=414: Greataxe, GWM, Warmagic, Green Flame Blade, 10 Intelligence3d12+2d8+22=50.55. Halberd, GWM, PAM, Warmagic, Green Flame Blade, 10 Intelligence:3d10+1d4+2d8+27=55That is raw damage with 100% hits and does not consider crits, action surge, magic weapons, GWF, Vex, Topple, or Graze.  It does include Nick and Cleave where applicable.Now show me your 9th level eldritch knight build that is doing "a couple of attacks at 1d8+4".I don't need to show proof.  Also show me your citation about 5-7 rounds.  I said mine is from my experience, you are saying yours is not from your experience, so show me that.Where do you get this from?  No 9th level Eldritch Knight is making 2 attacks with a 1d8 weapon,  20 strength is +5 not +4 and an Eldritch Knight uses a cantrip with the attack action.And guess what, the numbers above are for a 9th level EK.  For some reason I thought Blade Barrier was a 5th level spell, it is a 6th level spell, the numbers ranging from 38-55 that I posted above are not even accurate because I should have been using an 11th level EK instead of 9th level.  Here are those new numbers for each example rescaling to an 11th level EK:1. 55.5 damage2. 57 damage3. 62 damage4. 71 damage5. 74.5 damageNo at 11th level (what I should have been using) it should be well above 50 damage on most builds.Even with a basic 20 strength, warmagic, no fighting style, no weapon mastery, no feats and no buffs against a single target it would still be 33 damage, nearly twice the number you quoted.I mean I guess I could pruposely do less damage, just like the Cleric can decide that not all the enemies are affected by Spirit Guardians, but why would they?Which is WAY WAY less than an EK is going to do with an attack action.  It is less than a weak EK will do.</blockquote>

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