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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 9794505" data-attributes="member: 15700">Dude, stop trying with the gotcha moments. This isn't one. I used the 5th level example because it was easier to prove the point.  A  point which you still haven't shown the math on to disprove despite me asking several times.If we were talking about 11th level, then the SG would be upcast and doing a lot more than 3d8 damage to each creature.  You wouldn't, but lots of people would when they see how clearly it's better for the party. I didn't just say so. I said where<a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+rounds+does+combat+last+in+5e&sca_esv=7996920a3193b21b&source=hp&ei=qx4MaffMKOuT0PEPnYS7gQ4&iflsig=AOw8s4IAAAAAaQwsu68WI9bjH7uhEG3rNZYORyOJyYbl&ved=0ahUKEwi3zvv30tyQAxXrCTQIHR3CLuAQ4dUDCBo&uact=5&oq=how+many+rounds+does+combat+last+in+5e&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IiZob3cgbWFueSByb3VuZHMgZG9lcyBjb21iYXQgbGFzdCBpbiA1ZTIGEAAYFhgeMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCBAAGIAEGKIEMgUQABjvBTIIEAAYgAQYogQyBRAAGO8FSOsnUABYhCdwAHgAkAEAmAFuoAHxFKoBBDM1LjO4AQPIAQD4AQGYAiagAt4VwgIREC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYgwEYxwHCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGMcBwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAAGIAEwgIFEC4YgATCAg4QLhiABBixAxiDARiKBcICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgILEC4YgAQYsQMY1ALCAhEQABiABBixAxiDARjHAxiKBcICChAAGIAEGEYY-wHCAggQABiiBBiJBcICBRAhGKABwgIFECEYnwXCAgUQIRirApgDAJIHBDM1LjOgB4amArIHBDM1LjO4B94VwgcGMS4zNS4yyAdJ&sclient=gws-wiz" target="_blank"> it came from</a>. You still haven't shown any evidence that combat rarely takes more than 2 rounds, less for higher level. You were the one to make that claim originally, remember. Wait, wut? No, I didn't.  And you still keep ignoring how SG lasts more than one round and keeps on damaging that whole time.  You keep forgetting that in your math.  It's notable that you keep doing it. Since I keep mentioning it, I can only assume it's intentional at this point.So unless you can actually prove that combat is as short as you claim, and you can show the math where the damage on one round of attacks is more than all of the damage SG does in total (each round and to all opponents), I think I'm done here. All you seem to be doing is continuing with the strawman "Oh, so you admit your argument is weak!!"  And quite frankly, it's a red flag for me to disengage with this conversation.</blockquote>

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