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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1572442" data-attributes="member: 5777">Actually, I have never had a problem with the 3.0 haste, the problem is with other parts of the system that nearly necesitate its use.In addition to that, my current dm feels that the 3.5 version of haste is one of the more broken things he has ever seen and completely refuses to allow it near his game.As far as it goes though, perhaps you could simply make it a feat. It'll take away some of their ability, but it will give them the spell back without having to worry too much.While you are at it though, reducing Quickens cost to something useful might simulate the effect enough you dont have to worry about it much at all.There was something tossed around before about changing it to +3 or having something else very similar that changes the spell to being a move action and costing +2. The second doesnt sound too bad really, although still a bit weak in some ways, but it may fill in the hole you are looking at.Also, as for it being cast early on, any personal buff that is actually going to be used once combat has commenced has to be good. It has to be worth casting, this isnt always the case, especially in 3.5. I've made several different feats to work around/fix this problem, if you are interested I'll post those too, but I think they are way outside of what you are looking for <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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