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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kichwas" data-source="post: 1256224" data-attributes="member: 891">The budget is tight right now, given that I need to ensure I'm not just buying Christmas presents for myself, but others as well. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Monte Cook gave these both good reviews, though he gave the Soceity book a higher rating.[ <a href="http://www.montecook.com/arch_review25.html" target="_blank">http://www.montecook.com/arch_review25.html</a> -MMS<a href="http://www.montecook.com/review.html" target="_blank">http://www.montecook.com/review.html</a> - Cityworks ] I run in one game and play in another both using the Kalamar setting and I have the free download PDF of the city section of the soceity book. Both games are currently taking a city focus, but likely to eventually move outwards (in fact mine should end up in the jungle within the next two sessions).The cities used for each game are semi detailed already. My game is in Zoa which has a few page entry in the main campaign book, the other DM is about to try and get us to relocate from a small town to a city that's detailed in a chapter within a new book - Sobateta.Given that I use an established published setting, which of these books is of more use to me? I'm one of the trigger people in my group - once I have it I tend to push it off on everyone else and maybe they get it, maybe they just talk about it and glance at my copy.I want something that will help me run my game smoothly in the city of Zoa once they get back from the jungle, and perhaps smoothly elsewhere if they up and decide to catch a ship to the capital of 'who-knows-where'. Being a pre-published setting I don't need info for building the soceity from the ground up, but I do need info for taking what's there and bringing it to life. In the long run I need both the larger picture for planning overall and the focused in picture for when the PCs tell me 'you know what, we're going down the next street over, not this one you thought we would take' and I need to refocus in mid game - doing it both well and consistantly.So if you're only getting one of these two, which one?I've also got a plan for getting Penumbra's Dynasties and Demogues book or Mongoose's Strongholds and Dynasties book or AEG's Empires book... Depending on which will integrate best with my choice above, my budget, and my needs - but that purchase will likely be held till January or Febuary.</blockquote>

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