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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 5780894" data-attributes="member: 5143">To me, it in the equivalent of saying &quot;I like pizza from Pizza Hut&quot; and someone saying &quot;I like pizza from Dominoes Pizza...what insults me the most about Pizza Hut is that they continue to market Pizza Hut as a PIZZA place!&nbsp; I like to think of it as oatmeal.&nbsp; It tastes like oatmeal and looks like oatmeal.&nbsp; It has the physical properties of oatmeal.&nbsp; Don't get me wrong, I love oatmeal.&nbsp; And Pizza Hut makes great oatmeal.&nbsp; I might even have it for breakfast myself sometimes.&nbsp; But if I ask you what your favorite pizza place is and you say Pizza Hut, then you don't have any idea what pizza is, since they don't serve pizza.&quot;It's kind of insulting.&nbsp; It says I don't know what I'm talking about.&nbsp; It's the equivalent of putting a pile of garbage in from of me and telling me it's fillet mignon.&nbsp; It's an attempt to grossly stretch the facts of a situation so badly that we can no longer have valid discussions about it anymore.I'm fine with &quot;We didn't like it, we found the rules got in the way more often than they helped&quot; or &quot;The combat rules were too complicated and it caused us to be concentrating on them so often that it put the focus too much on combat for my liking&quot; or &quot;a power block makes the ability seem artificial even if the end result is the same as attacking with a weapon in a previous edition, the presentation makes it feel like a different thing&quot; or &quot;I don't like combat to take that long&quot; or any number of other complaints that can be fixed.All of those are completely valid complaints that I would like to see answered in 5e.&nbsp; But starting with &quot;The problem with 4e is that it's a board game(or video game, or MMO, or not D&amp;D, or not a role playing game)&quot; is not a point that can be discussed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 5780894, member: 5143"] To me, it in the equivalent of saying "I like pizza from Pizza Hut" and someone saying "I like pizza from Dominoes Pizza...what insults me the most about Pizza Hut is that they continue to market Pizza Hut as a PIZZA place! I like to think of it as oatmeal. It tastes like oatmeal and looks like oatmeal. It has the physical properties of oatmeal. Don't get me wrong, I love oatmeal. And Pizza Hut makes great oatmeal. I might even have it for breakfast myself sometimes. But if I ask you what your favorite pizza place is and you say Pizza Hut, then you don't have any idea what pizza is, since they don't serve pizza." It's kind of insulting. It says I don't know what I'm talking about. It's the equivalent of putting a pile of garbage in from of me and telling me it's fillet mignon. It's an attempt to grossly stretch the facts of a situation so badly that we can no longer have valid discussions about it anymore. I'm fine with "We didn't like it, we found the rules got in the way more often than they helped" or "The combat rules were too complicated and it caused us to be concentrating on them so often that it put the focus too much on combat for my liking" or "a power block makes the ability seem artificial even if the end result is the same as attacking with a weapon in a previous edition, the presentation makes it feel like a different thing" or "I don't like combat to take that long" or any number of other complaints that can be fixed. All of those are completely valid complaints that I would like to see answered in 5e. But starting with "The problem with 4e is that it's a board game(or video game, or MMO, or not D&D, or not a role playing game)" is not a point that can be discussed. [/QUOTE]

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