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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 6658787" data-attributes="member: 8835"><p>Yup. In TX, per the CHL class I took, that was the case. If you are breaking the law presently, you have no right to self defense. If you initiate or escalate the conflict, you have no right to self defense.</p><p></p><p>This is a legal risk for Open Carry, because by me having a pistol on my hip and arguing with Danny about a traffic accident, I am potentially escalating the conflict to "now there could be shooting" Danny would be more worried and intimidated. You could say he'd be in "fear of life" which means if I get ragier, Danny may have right to defend himself.</p><p></p><p>In the CHL class (before Open Carry was a a topic), we were specifically reminded that we had to be in greater control of our emotions, because having a gun on you while being angry could lead to making a very bad choice.</p><p></p><p>The basic rule of thumb I got from CHL training and martial arts was "never advance toward trouble"</p><p></p><p>On the Zimmerman vs Martin case, Zimmerman advanced toward trouble. Regardless of the outcome, his legal risk increased dramatically from when he was in the car, and then he got out to advance toward trouble. Whether the details of the case ended up in his favor or not, his CHL instructor would have shook his head when he got out of the car.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Janx, post: 6658787, member: 8835"] Yup. In TX, per the CHL class I took, that was the case. If you are breaking the law presently, you have no right to self defense. If you initiate or escalate the conflict, you have no right to self defense. This is a legal risk for Open Carry, because by me having a pistol on my hip and arguing with Danny about a traffic accident, I am potentially escalating the conflict to "now there could be shooting" Danny would be more worried and intimidated. You could say he'd be in "fear of life" which means if I get ragier, Danny may have right to defend himself. In the CHL class (before Open Carry was a a topic), we were specifically reminded that we had to be in greater control of our emotions, because having a gun on you while being angry could lead to making a very bad choice. The basic rule of thumb I got from CHL training and martial arts was "never advance toward trouble" On the Zimmerman vs Martin case, Zimmerman advanced toward trouble. Regardless of the outcome, his legal risk increased dramatically from when he was in the car, and then he got out to advance toward trouble. Whether the details of the case ended up in his favor or not, his CHL instructor would have shook his head when he got out of the car. [/QUOTE]
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