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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pppo" data-source="post: 753066" data-attributes="member: 10851">In our session yesterday we had a fight which might be interesting in this threat. My ranger and the cleric where in violent melee with a Cornugon (a devil). The bard got ready to shoot a greater slaying arrow (nice to have it  around  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> )  to kill the  ******* creature. That was our last change since the high SR of the damn bastard kicked our wizard out of battle. But before the bard fired the devil casted a fireball. Unfortunately the bard rolled a 1 on his save  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  and was forced to make saves for his equipment  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  . Our DM ruled to roll separate saves for the arrow and the bow (longbow +1) (the rule for that  is somewhere in the DMG, I think). I guess she would have done it the same way for a x-bow. Do you see the problem with this threat? How can a loaded x-bow being considered as one item and two items at the same time by the rules? For me it is ok to accept that my ranger can fight without any penalty even with only 1 hp. That’s the rule of the game, so why bother about it even when it is highly unrealistic? So it is also ok for me to accept that a x-bow and a bolt are two items by the rules even if the x-bow is loaded. It´s too unrealistic or abstract? See above, laugh about it and play. Don´t forget:  It´s a game (like Hero Quest). Anyway: We won!      <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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