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Clarification of Tripping rules and a couple feats.
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<blockquote data-quote="UltimaGabe" data-source="post: 1764034" data-attributes="member: 16019"><p>In order to trip, a character MUST use a trippable weapon- if he doesn't have one ready, he must use an Unarmed Strike. This invokes an Attack of Opportunity, since he's attacking unarmed- unless he has the Improved Trip feat, which allows him to make a Trip attack with an Unarmed Strike without incurring an Attack of Opportunity. In addition, the Improved Trip feat allows him to gain a free attack with a readied weapon, at the same bonus as the touch attack to make the trip in the first place.</p><p></p><p>If a character has a trippable weapon handy (such as a Flail) and doesn't have the Improved Trip feat, he doesn't incur an attack of opportunity, but he doesn't gain the additional attack.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Didn't see your other questions. Oops.</p><p></p><p>As far as I see it, making a Trip attack is the exception to a few rules. I don't believe the rules are too clear on this, but I'd say that you can make the additional attack with whatever weapon you have equipped- otherwise, who would benefit from the additional attack other than a high-level monk? Also, if you're wielding, say, a sword, it's kinda like you're just following up by swinging your sword at them as they fall.</p><p></p><p>Also, it's important to remember that just because you have to make an unarmed attack, it doesn't mean that it's a punch or anything with your hands. It's quite possibly a kick (or, rather, a "stick your foot in the way") attack. Thus, you wouldn't suffer any penalties if you were wielding a two-handed weapon.</p><p></p><p>Hope that helped.</p><p></p><p>Edit again: As for Elusive Target and TWF penalties, I don't think you would have any such penalties. After all, you incur the penalties for gaining an extra attack from a second weapon- if you've got Improved Unarmed Strike, a BAB of +6/+1, and you're wielding a Greatsword, as long as you don't use the Two-Handed Weapon, and you only try to get two unarmed attacks (one at +6 and one at +1) I don't see why you'd incur penalties for Two-Weapon Fighting. </p><p></p><p>My point is this- when you're using Improved Trip, you're not gaining an extra attack through Two-Weapon Fighting- you're gaining an extra attack through Improved Trip. Thus, Two-Weapon Fighting penalties shouldn't apply.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UltimaGabe, post: 1764034, member: 16019"] In order to trip, a character MUST use a trippable weapon- if he doesn't have one ready, he must use an Unarmed Strike. This invokes an Attack of Opportunity, since he's attacking unarmed- unless he has the Improved Trip feat, which allows him to make a Trip attack with an Unarmed Strike without incurring an Attack of Opportunity. In addition, the Improved Trip feat allows him to gain a free attack with a readied weapon, at the same bonus as the touch attack to make the trip in the first place. If a character has a trippable weapon handy (such as a Flail) and doesn't have the Improved Trip feat, he doesn't incur an attack of opportunity, but he doesn't gain the additional attack. Edit: Didn't see your other questions. Oops. As far as I see it, making a Trip attack is the exception to a few rules. I don't believe the rules are too clear on this, but I'd say that you can make the additional attack with whatever weapon you have equipped- otherwise, who would benefit from the additional attack other than a high-level monk? Also, if you're wielding, say, a sword, it's kinda like you're just following up by swinging your sword at them as they fall. Also, it's important to remember that just because you have to make an unarmed attack, it doesn't mean that it's a punch or anything with your hands. It's quite possibly a kick (or, rather, a "stick your foot in the way") attack. Thus, you wouldn't suffer any penalties if you were wielding a two-handed weapon. Hope that helped. Edit again: As for Elusive Target and TWF penalties, I don't think you would have any such penalties. After all, you incur the penalties for gaining an extra attack from a second weapon- if you've got Improved Unarmed Strike, a BAB of +6/+1, and you're wielding a Greatsword, as long as you don't use the Two-Handed Weapon, and you only try to get two unarmed attacks (one at +6 and one at +1) I don't see why you'd incur penalties for Two-Weapon Fighting. My point is this- when you're using Improved Trip, you're not gaining an extra attack through Two-Weapon Fighting- you're gaining an extra attack through Improved Trip. Thus, Two-Weapon Fighting penalties shouldn't apply. [/QUOTE]
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