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<blockquote data-quote="Vampersan" data-source="post: 8470065" data-attributes="member: 7032622"><p>I think I understand what you're saying, as I've been looking at the follower to square footage ratio myself. I agree that the number of staff granted at each quality level feels a bit off, but luckily I think simply multiplying the square footage by a factor of 2 largely fixes the feeling of being overcrowded.</p><p></p><p>So, it would look like this instead:</p><p></p><p>Frugal = 1 staff per 2,000sqft. (Formerly 1,000)</p><p>Average = 1 staff per 1,000sqft. (Formerly 500)</p><p>Luxurious = 1 staff per 200sqft. (Formerly 100)</p><p>Legendary = 1 staff per 200sqft (Formerly 100)</p><p></p><p>Thus with a 2,500sqft stronghold (the average size of a home in the U.S.), the number of staff at each quality level would be:</p><p></p><p>Frugal: 1</p><p>Average: 2</p><p>Luxurious: 12</p><p>Legendary: 12</p><p></p><p>If there's a garrison, then you also get:</p><p></p><p>Frugal: 0 soldiers</p><p>Average: 1 soldier</p><p>Luxurious: 6 soldiers</p><p>Legendary: 6 soldiers</p><p></p><p>Which feels about right, at least for my preferences. One servant definitely feels frugal, and two feels like a good amount for an average stronghold of that size (and possibly a live-in "bodyguard" with the garrison option). Getting up to luxurious and legendary nets you 12 staff, and possibly a small security team with a garrison, for a total of 18 people living in or around your stronghold.</p><p></p><p>That works out to about one person per 138sqft at the luxurious and legendary tiers (including yourself), which is about a bedroom area for each person. While that may sound a little bit crowded still, I believe it's more comfortable and believable than one person per 65sqft feet (about the size of a guest bathroom) offered by the rules as they are currently written.</p><p></p><p>You by no means have to make this change, and you may find a different multiplication factor (maybe x3?) suits your game better. I just wanted to offer a tweak that seemed reasonable to me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>At any rate, I think we all have tremendous respect for the designers and the time they put in to crafting a stronghold system in the first place. I also think it's good that we as a forum of fans are analyzing the system and offering good-faith critique. Even if the official rules do not change, we can still adapt them to our own liking with what seems like very minor adjustments.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vampersan, post: 8470065, member: 7032622"] I think I understand what you're saying, as I've been looking at the follower to square footage ratio myself. I agree that the number of staff granted at each quality level feels a bit off, but luckily I think simply multiplying the square footage by a factor of 2 largely fixes the feeling of being overcrowded. So, it would look like this instead: Frugal = 1 staff per 2,000sqft. (Formerly 1,000) Average = 1 staff per 1,000sqft. (Formerly 500) Luxurious = 1 staff per 200sqft. (Formerly 100) Legendary = 1 staff per 200sqft (Formerly 100) Thus with a 2,500sqft stronghold (the average size of a home in the U.S.), the number of staff at each quality level would be: Frugal: 1 Average: 2 Luxurious: 12 Legendary: 12 If there's a garrison, then you also get: Frugal: 0 soldiers Average: 1 soldier Luxurious: 6 soldiers Legendary: 6 soldiers Which feels about right, at least for my preferences. One servant definitely feels frugal, and two feels like a good amount for an average stronghold of that size (and possibly a live-in "bodyguard" with the garrison option). Getting up to luxurious and legendary nets you 12 staff, and possibly a small security team with a garrison, for a total of 18 people living in or around your stronghold. That works out to about one person per 138sqft at the luxurious and legendary tiers (including yourself), which is about a bedroom area for each person. While that may sound a little bit crowded still, I believe it's more comfortable and believable than one person per 65sqft feet (about the size of a guest bathroom) offered by the rules as they are currently written. You by no means have to make this change, and you may find a different multiplication factor (maybe x3?) suits your game better. I just wanted to offer a tweak that seemed reasonable to me. :) At any rate, I think we all have tremendous respect for the designers and the time they put in to crafting a stronghold system in the first place. I also think it's good that we as a forum of fans are analyzing the system and offering good-faith critique. Even if the official rules do not change, we can still adapt them to our own liking with what seems like very minor adjustments. [/QUOTE]
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