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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 6362435" data-attributes="member: 45197"><p>Hiya.</p><p></p><p> [MENTION=6777377]Jack the Lad[/MENTION] :</p><p> Sacrosanct pretty much summed up what I was going to reply (thanks Sacrosanct!).</p><p></p><p> That said... I've been playing RPG's since late '79, mostly as a DM. My highest level character is a 20th level 1e AD&D Magic-User named Denakhan. I've written about 3 'full' RPG's (never published; just for fun). I've written two campaign settings (1 for 1e AD&D/Hackmaster, and 1 for Powers & Perils). I've only played two sessions of 5e, as a DM both times, for a total play time of about 5.5 hours. </p><p></p><p>**snip**</p><p></p><p> Y'know, I've tried to write a reply three times now (this will be #4). I now realize that there is no way for me (or other long-term DM's like KarinsDad and Sacrosanct) to "prove" our experience is true as per rules. Why? All the 'proof' I could think of was basically anecdotal. I'm not going to write a 60 page novella detailing the experiences of a party of adventurers (with rules footnotes, of course), because it would be fruitless. I can say "A fighter can fight all day long", and I can get a reply that says "But fighters have HP limits, so they can't". I can reply "Yes, but they can drink potions of healing, or get clerical healing, or use a short rest/second wind", which would net a reply of "But so can the wizard". Etc, etc, etc. I can't 'prove' that game play experience will balance out all the sparkely-whizz-bang things a caster can do simply because there are not "game play experience" rules in the system.</p><p></p><p> All I can say is this: If casters are so overpowered, why don't we see parties consisting of wizard, wizard, sorcerer, warlock, wizard? If the game was so bias in favor of casters, I don't think we'd see more than a handful of other classes represented in "the wild" (re: forums, game conventions, online play, personal campaign web sites, etc). But we do. We see a LOT of other classes. All over the place. Just go to Obsidian Portal and check out some personal campaigns of folks...lots of other classes represented. Lots.</p><p></p><p>^_^</p><p></p><p>Paul L. Ming</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pming, post: 6362435, member: 45197"] Hiya. [MENTION=6777377]Jack the Lad[/MENTION] : Sacrosanct pretty much summed up what I was going to reply (thanks Sacrosanct!). That said... I've been playing RPG's since late '79, mostly as a DM. My highest level character is a 20th level 1e AD&D Magic-User named Denakhan. I've written about 3 'full' RPG's (never published; just for fun). I've written two campaign settings (1 for 1e AD&D/Hackmaster, and 1 for Powers & Perils). I've only played two sessions of 5e, as a DM both times, for a total play time of about 5.5 hours. **snip** Y'know, I've tried to write a reply three times now (this will be #4). I now realize that there is no way for me (or other long-term DM's like KarinsDad and Sacrosanct) to "prove" our experience is true as per rules. Why? All the 'proof' I could think of was basically anecdotal. I'm not going to write a 60 page novella detailing the experiences of a party of adventurers (with rules footnotes, of course), because it would be fruitless. I can say "A fighter can fight all day long", and I can get a reply that says "But fighters have HP limits, so they can't". I can reply "Yes, but they can drink potions of healing, or get clerical healing, or use a short rest/second wind", which would net a reply of "But so can the wizard". Etc, etc, etc. I can't 'prove' that game play experience will balance out all the sparkely-whizz-bang things a caster can do simply because there are not "game play experience" rules in the system. All I can say is this: If casters are so overpowered, why don't we see parties consisting of wizard, wizard, sorcerer, warlock, wizard? If the game was so bias in favor of casters, I don't think we'd see more than a handful of other classes represented in "the wild" (re: forums, game conventions, online play, personal campaign web sites, etc). But we do. We see a LOT of other classes. All over the place. Just go to Obsidian Portal and check out some personal campaigns of folks...lots of other classes represented. Lots. ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]
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