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<blockquote data-quote="Jack the Lad" data-source="post: 6363688" data-attributes="member: 6777377">PvP is meaningless, you don't need your spells to scale by character level, and War Caster cancels out Mage Slayer. Oh, and saves literally don't matter; Wall of Force immediately wins a 1-on-1 fight against any non-caster.They do a lot better than Fighters, that's for sure. And I've already posted a bunch of times about how Concentration simply doesn't break to damage once you're past level 6 or 8.I went with no feats or magic items because that was the scenario Andor presented.I mean no offence when I ask this, but have you played 5e very much? A level 15 Wizard (to match the level 15 Fighter in our example) has 18 spell slots, can regain up to 7 (though more likely 2 higher level ones) with Arcane Recovery and is very likely to be able to cast some of his utility spells as rituals. If we assume 6 utility spells per day, even 2 of which are cast as rituals, that leaves 16 for combat; 2 per encounter at the top end of the '6-8 per day' guidelines.You can throw a Handaxe 20 feet and Javelin 30 feet without&nbsp; incurring disadvantage. Fire Storm targets 10 10x10x10 cubes within 150&nbsp; feet. How spread out are we talking, realistically?Also, why&nbsp; would the orcs be more willing to stand toe to toe with the Fighter than&nbsp; engage in hit and run tactics that allow them to bring their numbers to&nbsp; bear?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack the Lad, post: 6363688, member: 6777377"] PvP is meaningless, you don't need your spells to scale by character level, and War Caster cancels out Mage Slayer. Oh, and saves literally don't matter; Wall of Force immediately wins a 1-on-1 fight against any non-caster. They do a lot better than Fighters, that's for sure. And I've already posted a bunch of times about how Concentration simply doesn't break to damage once you're past level 6 or 8. I went with no feats or magic items because that was the scenario Andor presented. I mean no offence when I ask this, but have you played 5e very much? A level 15 Wizard (to match the level 15 Fighter in our example) has 18 spell slots, can regain up to 7 (though more likely 2 higher level ones) with Arcane Recovery and is very likely to be able to cast some of his utility spells as rituals. If we assume 6 utility spells per day, even 2 of which are cast as rituals, that leaves 16 for combat; 2 per encounter at the top end of the '6-8 per day' guidelines. You can throw a Handaxe 20 feet and Javelin 30 feet without incurring disadvantage. Fire Storm targets 10 10x10x10 cubes within 150 feet. How spread out are we talking, realistically? Also, why would the orcs be more willing to stand toe to toe with the Fighter than engage in hit and run tactics that allow them to bring their numbers to bear? [/QUOTE]

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