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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 588279" data-attributes="member: 3146">Re: RangersNo more front loaded than the fighter?!?Let me see, your ranger has d10 hit points, martial weapons, 4 skill points from an excellent skill list, track, and one other bonus feat at first level. At second level, d10 hit points, 4 skill points from an excellent skill list, and another bonus feat.The fighter has d10 hit points, martial weapons, 2 skill points from a pathetic skill list, and one bonus feat at first and second level.It looks to me like the Ranger is one feat ahead (track), and 2 skill points ahead on an infinitely better skill list.Under that revision, I don't think there would ever be another first level fighter again. You'd probably see lots of Ranger 2/Fighter x's though. Or Ranger 1/Fighter xs for the people who want cleave and Weapon focus ASAP. The only things the fighter would give up by choosing Ranger first would be the ability to have Power attack, cleave, weapon focus at first level and heavy armor proficiency. Of course, characters are generally third level by the time they can afford worthwhile heavy armor anyway. It wouldn't be much of a sacrifice to wear chain mail or a breastplate until then.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 588279, member: 3146"] [b]Re: Rangers[/b] No more front loaded than the fighter?!? Let me see, your ranger has d10 hit points, martial weapons, 4 skill points from an excellent skill list, track, and one other bonus feat at first level. At second level, d10 hit points, 4 skill points from an excellent skill list, and another bonus feat. The fighter has d10 hit points, martial weapons, 2 skill points from a pathetic skill list, and one bonus feat at first and second level. It looks to me like the Ranger is one feat ahead (track), and 2 skill points ahead on an infinitely better skill list. Under that revision, I don't think there would ever be another first level fighter again. You'd probably see lots of Ranger 2/Fighter x's though. Or Ranger 1/Fighter xs for the people who want cleave and Weapon focus ASAP. The only things the fighter would give up by choosing Ranger first would be the ability to have Power attack, cleave, weapon focus at first level and heavy armor proficiency. Of course, characters are generally third level by the time they can afford worthwhile heavy armor anyway. It wouldn't be much of a sacrifice to wear chain mail or a breastplate until then. [/QUOTE]

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