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<blockquote data-quote="hanez" data-source="post: 5781065" data-attributes="member: 82160">I think this is a strawman and is somewhat frustrating.&nbsp; We got that attitude in 4th, &quot;oh you just want that because you want to be better then everyone else&quot; ... no, I have never heard of codzilla except in forums, and neither have the 10-12 players I regularly play with.I think in D&amp;D there is a dungeon master, and that dungeon master is tasked with making the game fun for everyone.&nbsp; He does this buy managing time slicing, droppping the perfect item for the fighter a couple adventures before he needs it, making an enemy somehow magic resistant the adventure after Gandalf &quot;shined a lil too much&quot; and buy calling people out when they are min maxing and not roleplaying.I think the more D&amp;D caters to &quot;professional players&quot; who debate on what the mathematical best class is, the less it can be relevant to 4 guys sitting around a table because they just want to play some cool characters that ARE DIFFERENT from eachother.I also think no one wants them to be OVERPOWERED.&nbsp; No one said that.&nbsp; What we want is them to be sufficiently different, vary in strengths at different levels and in different situations, and remain true to D&amp;Ds traditional archetype.&nbsp; Make them as balanced as you can, just not like 4e did because that just made them all the same class IMHO.&nbsp; Feel free to buff the hell out of the fighter if the system needs it, I believe Iron Heroes and even 4e had a lot of ways to make the fighter more interesting.&nbsp; Just don't reduce the classes to the same exact same framework in your attempt to balance the game.I think this is soooooo right.&nbsp; Maybe now and then the big baddy needs to be immune to fireballs and the like and you better hope you brought your raging fighter/barbarian to smack him over the head.&nbsp; Or maybe he's got hostages that your going to fry (I always thought fireballs did a bad job of not reminding the DM that they burn even the good people)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hanez, post: 5781065, member: 82160"] I think this is a strawman and is somewhat frustrating. We got that attitude in 4th, "oh you just want that because you want to be better then everyone else" ... no, I have never heard of codzilla except in forums, and neither have the 10-12 players I regularly play with. I think in D&D there is a dungeon master, and that dungeon master is tasked with making the game fun for everyone. He does this buy managing time slicing, droppping the perfect item for the fighter a couple adventures before he needs it, making an enemy somehow magic resistant the adventure after Gandalf "shined a lil too much" and buy calling people out when they are min maxing and not roleplaying. I think the more D&D caters to "professional players" who debate on what the mathematical best class is, the less it can be relevant to 4 guys sitting around a table because they just want to play some cool characters that ARE DIFFERENT from eachother. I also think no one wants them to be OVERPOWERED. No one said that. What we want is them to be sufficiently different, vary in strengths at different levels and in different situations, and remain true to D&Ds traditional archetype. Make them as balanced as you can, just not like 4e did because that just made them all the same class IMHO. Feel free to buff the hell out of the fighter if the system needs it, I believe Iron Heroes and even 4e had a lot of ways to make the fighter more interesting. Just don't reduce the classes to the same exact same framework in your attempt to balance the game. I think this is soooooo right. Maybe now and then the big baddy needs to be immune to fireballs and the like and you better hope you brought your raging fighter/barbarian to smack him over the head. Or maybe he's got hostages that your going to fry (I always thought fireballs did a bad job of not reminding the DM that they burn even the good people) [/QUOTE]

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