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<blockquote data-quote="hanez" data-source="post: 5781297" data-attributes="member: 82160">are you saying THE wizard or A wizard?&nbsp;&nbsp; Theres a difference right?&nbsp; Are we constructing a wizard for a specific situation, and then memorizing the particular spell to be perfect for that situation?&nbsp; Or are we making a class from the ground up, that gains spells as he finds them and levels, that chooses spells based on what he thinks he MIGHT encounter that day?&nbsp; In a campaign where he encounters a variety of situations?I don't think that if you go through the above realistically you will find that the wizard &quot;is better in all situations&quot;.&nbsp; If they chose utility, they lost damage, if they knocked the door, they lost invisibiltty.Memorizing spells is frustrating.&nbsp; I ran into lots of situations where&nbsp; there WAS a perfect spell for that.&nbsp; But often I just didn't memorize&nbsp; it, or never even had access to it.&nbsp; Mages don't have access to every spell eh?&nbsp; Maybe I was just bad at picking spells, and maybe the wizard in your experience was really good at picking spells.&nbsp; Or maybe my DM was varied, and yours was well predictable.&nbsp; Or maybe this is an academic discussion where people look at the class and say &quot;hey look what it can do!&quot; I got fireball, and spider climb, and phantom steed, and lightning bolt, and hold person, and fly, without remembering that they were all the same spell level and you couldnt have them all?&nbsp; Picking one or two from that list is pretty tough and certainly doesnt make you superman when superman is slicing and dicing you 3 times a round with his sword that he gets to use over and over again.You do remember wizards using there pesky staffs and crossbows cause they were all out and just had a couple utility spells right?&nbsp; That happened in 3e to many many people which kind of counters your &quot;god&quot; argument.Still I grant you that you may find the wizard is too strong and should be tweaked, I agree with that statement completely.&nbsp; But I think if you found that he is better in every single situation, then there is definitely a problem in the way YOUR game was run.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hanez, post: 5781297, member: 82160"] are you saying THE wizard or A wizard? Theres a difference right? Are we constructing a wizard for a specific situation, and then memorizing the particular spell to be perfect for that situation? Or are we making a class from the ground up, that gains spells as he finds them and levels, that chooses spells based on what he thinks he MIGHT encounter that day? In a campaign where he encounters a variety of situations? I don't think that if you go through the above realistically you will find that the wizard "is better in all situations". If they chose utility, they lost damage, if they knocked the door, they lost invisibiltty. Memorizing spells is frustrating. I ran into lots of situations where there WAS a perfect spell for that. But often I just didn't memorize it, or never even had access to it. Mages don't have access to every spell eh? Maybe I was just bad at picking spells, and maybe the wizard in your experience was really good at picking spells. Or maybe my DM was varied, and yours was well predictable. Or maybe this is an academic discussion where people look at the class and say "hey look what it can do!" I got fireball, and spider climb, and phantom steed, and lightning bolt, and hold person, and fly, without remembering that they were all the same spell level and you couldnt have them all? Picking one or two from that list is pretty tough and certainly doesnt make you superman when superman is slicing and dicing you 3 times a round with his sword that he gets to use over and over again. You do remember wizards using there pesky staffs and crossbows cause they were all out and just had a couple utility spells right? That happened in 3e to many many people which kind of counters your "god" argument. Still I grant you that you may find the wizard is too strong and should be tweaked, I agree with that statement completely. But I think if you found that he is better in every single situation, then there is definitely a problem in the way YOUR game was run. [/QUOTE]

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