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<blockquote data-quote="Giltonio_Santos" data-source="post: 5781309" data-attributes="member: 36874"><p><strong>In 2E</strong>, wizards have no bonus spell slots for high intelligence. This seemed to make the priest classes unfair, but those spell slots were exactly the place were they should be preparing healing spells (which benefit the whole party).</p><p></p><p>A wizard with 18 Int would only know a maximum of 18 spells of a given level. Gnomes could learn all of them, with 19 Int, but they had their own limits (illusionist only).</p><p></p><p>Spells took time to learn and a lot of pages in a spellbook (many of them were necessary for a single wizard, and he would probably be adventuring with a traveling spellbook containing only his best, signature spells).</p><p></p><p>Preparing them was time-consuming as well (30 min for a fireball). Throwing a fireball at the room full of orcs instead of allowing your warriors to take care meant that your party would be waiting 30 more minutes in the next morning. It was actually worth your time to have spells still prepared by the end of the day.</p><p></p><p>As someone pointed earlier, taking damage while casting was game over. No concentration check, no combat casting, no 5-foot step.</p><p></p><p><strong>Enters 3E:</strong></p><p></p><p>Clerics don't need to prepare their healing anymore. They will be better just preparing a bunch of spells to find the traps for the rogue, deal area damage for the wizard and fight for the fighter.</p><p></p><p>Wizards have bonus spells for high intelligence. Contrary to the cleric, though, the system doesn't expect him to spend some of them just keeping the party alive.</p><p></p><p>All those details regarding spellbooks and spell preparation? Drop them! Maximum number of spells known? This is sorcerer stuff! Limited spellbooks? How about a <em>blessed book</em> with 1000 pages?</p><p></p><p>As of today, I still believe there's nothing wrong with a vancian system where wizards are supposed to fly, teleport, fireball and even stoneskin. The 3E take on that system, though, is completely broken.</p><p></p><p>Cheers,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Giltonio_Santos, post: 5781309, member: 36874"] [B]In 2E[/B], wizards have no bonus spell slots for high intelligence. This seemed to make the priest classes unfair, but those spell slots were exactly the place were they should be preparing healing spells (which benefit the whole party). A wizard with 18 Int would only know a maximum of 18 spells of a given level. Gnomes could learn all of them, with 19 Int, but they had their own limits (illusionist only). Spells took time to learn and a lot of pages in a spellbook (many of them were necessary for a single wizard, and he would probably be adventuring with a traveling spellbook containing only his best, signature spells). Preparing them was time-consuming as well (30 min for a fireball). Throwing a fireball at the room full of orcs instead of allowing your warriors to take care meant that your party would be waiting 30 more minutes in the next morning. It was actually worth your time to have spells still prepared by the end of the day. As someone pointed earlier, taking damage while casting was game over. No concentration check, no combat casting, no 5-foot step. [B]Enters 3E:[/B] Clerics don't need to prepare their healing anymore. They will be better just preparing a bunch of spells to find the traps for the rogue, deal area damage for the wizard and fight for the fighter. Wizards have bonus spells for high intelligence. Contrary to the cleric, though, the system doesn't expect him to spend some of them just keeping the party alive. All those details regarding spellbooks and spell preparation? Drop them! Maximum number of spells known? This is sorcerer stuff! Limited spellbooks? How about a [I]blessed book[/I] with 1000 pages? As of today, I still believe there's nothing wrong with a vancian system where wizards are supposed to fly, teleport, fireball and even stoneskin. The 3E take on that system, though, is completely broken. Cheers, [/QUOTE]
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